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SU-85

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Battle Tier
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[Client Values; Actual values in
Specifically, the mismatch in crew values caused by commander's 10% crew skill bonus. Outside of a crew of 1 commander only, 100% crew is a fiction. The client values, given for 100% crew, will normally be taken into battle with 110% crew skill members aside from specific functions, causing their actual performance to deviate from the expected client value. These differences are taken into account in tooltip boxes.
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414,000  Credits Cost
350350 HP Hit Points
29.02/31.429.5/32.4 t Weight Limit
Crew
  1. Commander (Radio Operator)
  2. Gunner
  3. Driver
  4. Loader
Mobility
480500 hp Engine Power
55/14 km/h Speed Limit
3335 deg/s Traverse
16.5416.95 hp/t Power/Wt Ratio
YesYes Pivot
Armor
45/45/40 mm Hull Armor
Armament







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175/3200/139
Shell Cost
115/110/165180/180/300 HP Damage
125/156/39144/194/44 mm Penetration



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14.63 r/m 

Standard Gun

Reload Times
Nominal: 4.1 s
50% Crew: 5.08 s
75% Crew: 4.43 s
100% Crew: 3.93 s
Rammer: 3.54 s
Vents: 3.84 s
Both: 3.46 s
Both and BiA: 3.38 s
Both and Max Crew %: 3.24 s

See Crew, Consumables, or Equipment for more information.



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10 r/m 

Standard Gun

Reload Times
Nominal: 6 s
50% Crew: 7.43 s
75% Crew: 6.49 s
100% Crew: 5.75 s
Rammer: 5.18 s
Vents: 5.62 s
Both: 5.06 s
Both and BiA: 4.95 s
Both and Max Crew %: 4.75 s

See Crew, Consumables, or Equipment for more information.
Rate of Fire






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1676.7

Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 1 (115 Damage):


Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 1676.7
50% Crew: 1353.55
75% Crew: 1550.2
100% Crew: 1749.15
100% Crew
Vents: 1788.25
Rammer: 1943.5
Both: 1987.2
Both and BiA: 2030.9
Both and Max Crew %: 2119.45

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 1791.7
50% Crew: 1468.55
75% Crew: 1665.2
100% Crew: 1864.15
100% Crew
Rammer: 2058.5
Vents: 1903.25
Both: 2102.2
Both and BiA: 2145.9
Both and Max Crew %: 2234.45

See here, here, or here for more information.

Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 2 (110 Damage):


Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 1603.8
50% Crew: 1294.7
75% Crew: 1482.8
100% Crew: 1673.1
100% Crew
Vents: 1710.5
Rammer: 1859
Both: 1900.8
Both and BiA: 1942.6
Both and Max Crew %: 2027.3

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 1713.8
50% Crew: 1404.7
75% Crew: 1592.8
100% Crew: 1783.1
100% Crew
Rammer: 1969
Vents: 1820.5
Both: 2010.8
Both and BiA: 2052.6
Both and Max Crew %: 2137.3

See here, here, or here for more information.

Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 3 (165 Damage):
With wholly penetrating hits

Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 2405.7
50% Crew: 1942.05
75% Crew: 2224.2
100% Crew: 2509.65
100% Crew
Vents: 2565.75
Rammer: 2788.5
Both: 2851.2
Both and BiA: 2913.9
Both and Max Crew %: 3040.95

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 2570.7
50% Crew: 2107.05
75% Crew: 2389.2
100% Crew: 2674.65
100% Crew
Rammer: 2953.5
Vents: 2730.75
Both: 3016.2
Both and BiA: 3078.9
Both and Max Crew %: 3205.95

See here, here, or here for more information.






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1800

Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 1 (180 Damage):


Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 1800
50% Crew: 1452.6
75% Crew: 1665
100% Crew: 1877.4
100% Crew
Vents: 1918.8
Rammer: 2086.2
Both: 2133
Both and BiA: 2179.8
Both and Max Crew %: 2275.2

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 1980
50% Crew: 1632.6
75% Crew: 1845
100% Crew: 2057.4
100% Crew
Rammer: 2266.2
Vents: 2098.8
Both: 2313
Both and BiA: 2359.8
Both and Max Crew %: 2455.2

See here, here, or here for more information.

Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 2 (180 Damage):


Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 1800
50% Crew: 1452.6
75% Crew: 1665
100% Crew: 1877.4
100% Crew
Vents: 1918.8
Rammer: 2086.2
Both: 2133
Both and BiA: 2179.8
Both and Max Crew %: 2275.2

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 1980
50% Crew: 1632.6
75% Crew: 1845
100% Crew: 2057.4
100% Crew
Rammer: 2266.2
Vents: 2098.8
Both: 2313
Both and BiA: 2359.8
Both and Max Crew %: 2455.2

See here, here, or here for more information.

Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 3 (300 Damage):
With wholly penetrating hits

Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 3000
50% Crew: 2421
75% Crew: 2775
100% Crew: 3129
100% Crew
Vents: 3198
Rammer: 3477
Both: 3555
Both and BiA: 3633
Both and Max Crew %: 3792

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 3300
50% Crew: 2721
75% Crew: 3075
100% Crew: 3429
100% Crew
Rammer: 3777
Vents: 3498
Both: 3855
Both and BiA: 3933
Both and Max Crew %: 4092

See here, here, or here for more information.
Damage Per Minute


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0.39 m 

With 50% Crew: 0.483 m
With 75% Crew: 0.422 m
With 100% Crew: 0.374 m
With BiA: 0.366 m
With BiA and Vents: 0.358 m
Maximum possible: 0.343 m

For more details, see Crew


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0.34 m 

With 50% Crew: 0.421 m
With 75% Crew: 0.368 m
With 100% Crew: 0.326 m
With BiA: 0.319 m
With BiA and Vents: 0.312 m
Maximum possible: 0.299 m

For more details, see Crew
Accuracy


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2.3 s 

With 50% Crew: 2.849 s
With 75% Crew: 2.488 s
With 100% Crew: 2.205 s
With GLD: 2.005 s
With BiA: 2.157 s
With BiA and Vents: 2.11 s
With both and GLD: 1.918 s
Maximum possible: 1.839 s

For more details, see Crew or Equipment


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2.3 s 

With 50% Crew: 2.849 s
With 75% Crew: 2.488 s
With 100% Crew: 2.205 s
With GLD: 2.005 s
With BiA: 2.157 s
With BiA and Vents: 2.11 s
With both and GLD: 1.918 s
Maximum possible: 1.839 s

For more details, see Crew or Equipment
Aim time
4444 deg/s Gun Traverse Speed
30° Gun Arc
-6°/+25°-6°/+25° Elevation Arc
5238 rounds Ammo Capacity
General
1515 % Chance of Fire






280 m 

With 50% Crew: 220 m
With 75% Crew: 250 m
With 100% Crew: 280 m
With Recon and Situational Awareness: 294.2 m
With Coated Optics: 308 m
With Binocular Telescope: 350 m
Maximum possible: 400.8 m

For more details, see Skills or Equipment






280 m 

With 50% Crew: 220 m
With 75% Crew: 250 m
With 100% Crew: 280 m
With Recon and Situational Awareness: 294.2 m
With Coated Optics: 308 m
With Binocular Telescope: 350 m
Maximum possible: 400.8 m

For more details, see Skills or Equipment
View Range


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325 m 

With 50% Crew: 255.3 m
With 75% Crew: 290.2 m
With 100% Crew: 325 m
With 100% Signal Boost: 390 m
When affected by 100% Relaying: 357.5 m
Maximum possible: 467.7 m

For more details, see Skills or Equipment


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525 m 

With 50% Crew: 412.5 m
With 75% Crew: 468.8 m
With 100% Crew: 525 m
With 100% Signal Boost: 630 m
When affected by 100% Relaying: 577.5 m
Maximum possible: 755.4 m

For more details, see Skills or Equipment
Signal Range
Values are Stock - click for Top


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414000

The SU-85 is a Soviet tier 5 tank destroyer.

Developed on the basis of the T-34 medium tank and the SU-122 assault gun. Produced from August 1943 through July 1944. The 85-mm D-5S gun allowed the SU-85 to effectively hit enemy medium tanks at distances of more than 1,000 meters and to penetrate the front armor of heavy tanks at shorter distances.

With a covered top, the SU-85 has much better survivability against HE damage than its predecessor, the SU-85B. Despite this, the weak armor and low HP of the SU-85 requires it to cling to its stealth in order to survive; one should avoid direct confrontation as long as possible. With decent accuracy, modest penetration, and respectable damage, the gun of choice for many players is the 85mm D5S-85BM. Worth noting is another possible weapon, the 122 mm M-30S, which can be devastating at close range with HEAT ammunition, and possibly HE in 8.6, although one must make sure to be fully aimed and not too far away, due to the extreme inaccuracy. Whichever weapon you choose, be extremely cautious of taking return fire.

The SU-85 leads to the SU-100.

Modules / Available Equipment and Consumables

Modules

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Guns

Tier Gun Penetration
(mm)
Damage
(HP)
Rate of fire
(rounds/minute)
Dispersion
(m/100m)
Aiming time
(s)
Weight
(kg)
Price
(Credits)

VI 85 mm D-5S 120/161/43 160/160/280 13.33 0.43 2.3 1500 61530
V 122 mm M-30S 61/140/39 450/370/165 5.26 0.55 2.3 1600 42500
VII 85 mm D5S-85BM 144/194/44 180/180/300 10 0.34 2.3 1850 73600
V 76 mm S-54S 125/156/39 115/110/165 14.63 0.39 2.3 1390 39470

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Engines

Tier Engine Engine Power
(hp)
Chance of Fire on Impact
(%)
Weight
(kg)
Price
(Credits)

V V-2 480 15 750 18750
VI V-2-34 500 15 750 27860

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Suspensions

Tier Suspension Load Limit
(т)
Traverse Speed
(гр/сек)
Rmin Weight
(kg)
Price
(Credits)

IV SU-85-II 31.4 33 0 7600 3800
V SU-85 32.4 35 0 7600 8640

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Radios

Tier Radio Signal Range
(м)
Weight
(kg)
Price
(Credits)

IV 9R 325 80 1980
VIII 9RM 525 100 24240


Compatible Equipment

Medium Spall Liner Camouflage Net Coated Optics Experimental Optics Wear-Resistant Gun Laying Drive Venting System Innovative Loading System Extended Spare Parts Kit Enhanced Gun Laying Drive Enhanced Christie Suspension Cyclone Filter Improved Ventilation Class 2 Medium-Caliber Tank Gun Rammer Binocular Telescope Toolbox "Wet" Ammo Rack Class 1 

Compatible Consumables

Automatic Fire Extinguisher Natural Cover Optical Calibration Aim Tuning Experienced Firefighters Manual Fire Extinguisher Vent Purge Large First Aid Kit Large Repair Kit Duty Comes First Lend-Lease Oil Shell Organizer Orderly Ammo Rack Focus on Target Extra Combat Rations Removed Speed Governor Increased Focus Small First Aid Kit Small Repair Kit Gearbox Intricacy Steady Hand Pre-Battle Maintenance Combat Course 


Player Opinion

Pros and Cons

Pros:


  • Accurate
  • Great camouflage
  • Fast top speed
  • Solid damage
  • Top gun is very balanced, with good alpha and dispersion values


Cons:


  • Disgusting view range
  • Very poor armor
  • Relatively long reload
  • Modules get easily damaged
  • Top cannon is very pricey to research


Performance

While it has low survivability, the SU-85's terrific camouflage values allow it to stay hidden at even close ranges. However, it is unable to engage targets at range without help; the horrible view range requires allied tanks to spot for you. Whilst not immediately evident, in actuality the 85mm D5S-85BM has respectable alpha damage, which can strip HP away from its peers at an alarming rate.

It is important not to overlook the great top speed the SU-85 offers. In many situations it can be a better asset than the StuG III's agility. You can get across the map very fast, allowing you to escape dangerous situations or get into position faster than most vehicles you will come across.


Early Research

From stock, the SU-85 can equip all of its gear without needing to research the suspension, so if you researched the SU-85 from the T-34 you can already equip the upgraded engine and radio. Otherwise, it is recommended you unlock the modules in the following order:

  • Research the 85mm gun first
  • Then get the 85mm D5S-85BM
  • Then get the engine
  • Get the suspension
  • Get the radio

Note that the 122 mm howitzer is only used by the SU-85. Unless you want to elite the SU-85 (or you want to use it), you can skip it entirely.


Suggested Equipment


Tank Gun Rammer Improved VentilationCamouflage Net 


Gallery

Historical Info

SU-85, Military Museum of Lubuskie, Poland

The SU-85 was a Soviet self-propelled gun used during World War II, based on the chassis of the T-34 medium tank. Earlier Soviet self-propelled guns were meant to serve as either assault guns, such as the SU-122, or as mobile anti-tank weapons: the SU-85 fell into the latter category. The designation SU-85 is derived as follows: 'SU' stands for the Russian: Samokhodnaya Ustanovka - self-propelled carriage, while "85" signifies the bore of the vehicle's armament, the 85 mm D-5T gun.

Development history

SU-85 at Czerniakow

Early in World War II, Soviet tanks such as the T-34 and KV-1 had enough firepower to destroy any German tank then available. However, in the fall of 1942, Soviet forces encountered the new German Tiger tank, with armor too thick to be penetrated by the 76.2 mm guns used in the T-34 and KV tanks at a safe range.[1] By spring 1943, the Soviets had also received reports of the new Panther tank, although the Panther was not seen in combat until July 1943, during the battle of Kursk. This new generation of German vehicles meant the Red Army needed a new and more powerful tank destroyer.

In May 1943, work was begun on both a new anti-tank gun and a redesign to the armament of the SU-122. Developers of the former put their efforts towards adapting the 85 mm heavy anti-aircraft gun, one of two types identified as best against the Tiger (the other being the 122 mm A-19). The SU-122, meanwhile, was rearmed with an existing 85 mm gun, the S-18, which was itself improved in the process. The production factory at Uralmash, which received the SU-122 design, attempted to reject the design as too expensive, since the larger gun breech meant that the entire hull would need to be modified, but it was required nevertheless to put the design into production.

Of the SU-85, several prototypes were rejected for design flaws, but after several changes, which included changing the gun to a D-5T, one was put into service as the SU-85.[1] At the same time, the 85mm D-5S, which had proven both effective and reliable, was modified to include a telescopic sight and a new ball mantlet design and retitled the SU-85-II.[1]

Description

SU-85 with Camo Net

The SU-85 was a modification of the earlier SU-122 self-propelled howitzer, essentially replacing the 122 mm M-30S howitzer of the SU-122 with a D-5T high-velocity 85 mm antitank gun. The 85 mm gun was effective against Panther and Tiger tanks at long range. The vehicle was small, highly mobile, and well armored.

Production history

SU-85 production started in mid-1943, with the first vehicles reaching their units by August. When the up-gunned T-34-85 medium tank entered mass production in the spring of 1944, there was no point in continuing production of a tank destroyer without superior firepower,[2] so SU-85 production was stopped in late 1944 after 2,050 vehicles had been produced. It was replaced on the production lines by the SU-100 tank destroyer, armed with the more powerful 100 mm D-10S gun. There were two versions: the basic SU-85 had a fixed commander's cupola with a rotating periscope and three vision blocks; the improved SU-85M had the same casemate as the SU-100, with a commander's cupola as used on the T-34-85.

Service history

SU-85 tank destroyer of the Polish 13th Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment. This vehicle is missing its right first road wheel and its front fenders. The SU-85 entered combat in August 1943. It saw active service in Soviet, Polish, and Czechoslovak forces on the Eastern Front until the end of the war. It was obsolete by 1945, and was withdrawn from active service not long after the war to be exported to many Soviet client states in Europe and elsewhere. The SU-85 remained in service longer in North Korea and Vietnam.[3] The similar SU-100 remained in service much longer, and some SU-85 and SU-100 were converted and used as command and recovery vehicles.[4]

Variants

Former Soviet Union

Polish 13th SU-85
  • SU-85-I - First SU-85 prototype, rejected for space concerns. Armed with 85 mm S-18 gun. [1]
  • SU-85-IV - Second prototype also with a standard hull of the SU-122 but it had a larger ball mantlet, different from the one used in SU-85-I. Armed with 85 mm S-18 gun. [1]
  • SU-85-II - Third SU-85 prototype with the new 85 mm D-5S gun, a new TSh-15 sight, and a new ball mantlet design. [1]
  • SU-85 - Main production model armed with 85 mm D-5T gun.
  • SU-85BM - An SU-85 with an improved 85mm gun, the D5S-85BM. The muzzle velocity of the gun was increased to 900 m/s, leading to 20 percent increase in penetration. The barrel was 1068mm longer than the one of the original D-5S and to compensate for this, the trunnions were pushed back by 80 milimeters. The prototype vehicle (the implementation of this gun into the SU-85) was made by the Uralmash plant in January 1944. It was tested at Gorokhovets proving ground between March and April 1944. It passed the tests, but was never accepted in service because of the appearance of the SU-100 project.
  • SU-85M - SU-85 with the casemate from the SU-100 tank destroyer, which was larger and could carry up to 60 rounds instead of 48. It also had the same commander's cupola as the one used in the T-34-85.[1]
  • SU-85T - SU-85 converted into an ARV.
  • SU-85-III - Fourth SU-85 prototype with a modified commander's cupola, with direct vision slots and covers.

Poland

WPT-34 (1960s) - Polish repair and maintenance vehicle with a superstructure replacing the casemate, a crane, a large-diameter telescoping snorkel for deep fording operations, as well as a large-spade type earth anchor in the rear. It was converted from SU-85 tank destroyers as well as T-34 medium tanks and SU-100 tank destroyers.


Historical Gallery

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