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SU-85B

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[Client Values; Actual values in
Specifically, the mismatch in crew values caused by commander's 10% crew skill bonus. Outside of a crew of 1 commander only, 100% crew is a fiction. The client values, given for 100% crew, will normally be taken into battle with 110% crew skill members aside from specific functions, causing their actual performance to deviate from the expected client value. These differences are taken into account in tooltip boxes.
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124,000  Credits Cost
260260 HP Hit Points
12.11/12.412.86/15 t Weight Limit
Crew
  1. Commander
  2. Gunner
  3. Driver
  4. Loader (Radio Operator)
Mobility
140210 hp Engine Power
43/14 km/h Speed Limit
3840 deg/s Traverse
11.5616.33 hp/t Power/Wt Ratio
YesYes Pivot
Armor
25/15/15 mm Hull Armor
Armament







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109/2800/98
Shell Cost
110/110/156160/160/280 HP Damage
78/120/38130/170/44 mm Penetration



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17.65 r/m 

Standard Gun

Reload Times
Nominal: 3.4 s
50% Crew: 4.21 s
75% Crew: 3.68 s
100% Crew: 3.26 s
Rammer: 2.93 s
Vents: 3.19 s
Both: 2.87 s
Both and BiA: 2.81 s
Both and Max Crew %: 2.69 s

See Crew, Consumables, or Equipment for more information.



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13.33 r/m 

Standard Gun

Reload Times
Nominal: 4.5 s
50% Crew: 5.57 s
75% Crew: 4.87 s
100% Crew: 4.31 s
Rammer: 3.88 s
Vents: 4.22 s
Both: 3.79 s
Both and BiA: 3.71 s
Both and Max Crew %: 3.56 s

See Crew, Consumables, or Equipment for more information.
Rate of Fire






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1805.1

Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 1 (110 Damage):


Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 1805.1
50% Crew: 1457.5
75% Crew: 1668.7
100% Crew: 1882.1
100% Crew
Vents: 1925
Rammer: 2091.1
Both: 2138.4
Both and BiA: 2185.7
Both and Max Crew %: 2280.3

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 1915.1
50% Crew: 1567.5
75% Crew: 1778.7
100% Crew: 1992.1
100% Crew
Rammer: 2201.1
Vents: 2035
Both: 2248.4
Both and BiA: 2295.7
Both and Max Crew %: 2390.3

See here, here, or here for more information.

Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 2 (110 Damage):


Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 1805.1
50% Crew: 1457.5
75% Crew: 1668.7
100% Crew: 1882.1
100% Crew
Vents: 1925
Rammer: 2091.1
Both: 2138.4
Both and BiA: 2185.7
Both and Max Crew %: 2280.3

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 1915.1
50% Crew: 1567.5
75% Crew: 1778.7
100% Crew: 1992.1
100% Crew
Rammer: 2201.1
Vents: 2035
Both: 2248.4
Both and BiA: 2295.7
Both and Max Crew %: 2390.3

See here, here, or here for more information.

Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 3 (156 Damage):
With wholly penetrating hits

Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 2559.96
50% Crew: 2067
75% Crew: 2366.52
100% Crew: 2669.16
100% Crew
Vents: 2730
Rammer: 2965.56
Both: 3032.64
Both and BiA: 3099.72
Both and Max Crew %: 3233.88

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 2715.96
50% Crew: 2223
75% Crew: 2522.52
100% Crew: 2825.16
100% Crew
Rammer: 3121.56
Vents: 2886
Both: 3188.64
Both and BiA: 3255.72
Both and Max Crew %: 3389.88

See here, here, or here for more information.






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2132.8

Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 1 (160 Damage):


Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 2132.8
50% Crew: 1721.6
75% Crew: 1971.2
100% Crew: 2224
100% Crew
Vents: 2273.6
Rammer: 2470.4
Both: 2526.4
Both and BiA: 2582.4
Both and Max Crew %: 2694.4

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 2292.8
50% Crew: 1881.6
75% Crew: 2131.2
100% Crew: 2384
100% Crew
Rammer: 2630.4
Vents: 2433.6
Both: 2686.4
Both and BiA: 2742.4
Both and Max Crew %: 2854.4

See here, here, or here for more information.

Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 2 (160 Damage):


Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 2132.8
50% Crew: 1721.6
75% Crew: 1971.2
100% Crew: 2224
100% Crew
Vents: 2273.6
Rammer: 2470.4
Both: 2526.4
Both and BiA: 2582.4
Both and Max Crew %: 2694.4

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 2292.8
50% Crew: 1881.6
75% Crew: 2131.2
100% Crew: 2384
100% Crew
Rammer: 2630.4
Vents: 2433.6
Both: 2686.4
Both and BiA: 2742.4
Both and Max Crew %: 2854.4

See here, here, or here for more information.

Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 3 (280 Damage):
With wholly penetrating hits

Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 3732.4
50% Crew: 3012.8
75% Crew: 3449.6
100% Crew: 3892
100% Crew
Vents: 3978.8
Rammer: 4323.2
Both: 4421.2
Both and BiA: 4519.2
Both and Max Crew %: 4715.2

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 4012.4
50% Crew: 3292.8
75% Crew: 3729.6
100% Crew: 4172
100% Crew
Rammer: 4603.2
Vents: 4258.8
Both: 4701.2
Both and BiA: 4799.2
Both and Max Crew %: 4995.2

See here, here, or here for more information.
Damage Per Minute


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0.43 m 

With 50% Crew: 0.533 m
With 75% Crew: 0.465 m
With 100% Crew: 0.412 m
With BiA: 0.403 m
With BiA and Vents: 0.394 m
Maximum possible: 0.378 m

For more details, see Crew


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0.38 m 

With 50% Crew: 0.471 m
With 75% Crew: 0.411 m
With 100% Crew: 0.364 m
With BiA: 0.356 m
With BiA and Vents: 0.349 m
Maximum possible: 0.334 m

For more details, see Crew
Accuracy


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2.3 s 

With 50% Crew: 2.849 s
With 75% Crew: 2.488 s
With 100% Crew: 2.205 s
With GLD: 2.005 s
With BiA: 2.157 s
With BiA and Vents: 2.11 s
With both and GLD: 1.918 s
Maximum possible: 1.839 s

For more details, see Crew or Equipment


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2.3 s 

With 50% Crew: 2.849 s
With 75% Crew: 2.488 s
With 100% Crew: 2.205 s
With GLD: 2.005 s
With BiA: 2.157 s
With BiA and Vents: 2.11 s
With both and GLD: 1.918 s
Maximum possible: 1.839 s

For more details, see Crew or Equipment
Aim time
4444 deg/s Gun Traverse Speed
22° Gun Arc
-5°/+7°-5°/+7° Elevation Arc
6443 rounds Ammo Capacity
General
2015 % Chance of Fire






310 m 

With 50% Crew: 243.6 m
With 75% Crew: 276.8 m
With 100% Crew: 310 m
With Recon and Situational Awareness: 325.7 m
With Coated Optics: 341 m
With Binocular Telescope: 387.5 m
Maximum possible: 443.8 m

For more details, see Skills or Equipment






310 m 

With 50% Crew: 243.6 m
With 75% Crew: 276.8 m
With 100% Crew: 310 m
With Recon and Situational Awareness: 325.7 m
With Coated Optics: 341 m
With Binocular Telescope: 387.5 m
Maximum possible: 443.8 m

For more details, see Skills or Equipment
View Range


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325 m 

With 50% Crew: 255.3 m
With 75% Crew: 290.2 m
With 100% Crew: 325 m
With 100% Signal Boost: 390 m
When affected by 100% Relaying: 357.5 m
Maximum possible: 467.7 m

For more details, see Skills or Equipment


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525 m 

With 50% Crew: 412.5 m
With 75% Crew: 468.8 m
With 100% Crew: 525 m
With 100% Signal Boost: 630 m
When affected by 100% Relaying: 577.5 m
Maximum possible: 755.4 m

For more details, see Skills or Equipment
Signal Range
Values are Stock - click for Top


IV

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124000

The SU-85B is a Soviet tier 4 tank destroyer.

In April-May of 1943, the SU-85B tank destroyer designed by the Gorky Automobile Plant underwent trials. The vehicle was a modernization of the SU-85A and featured the artillery LB-2 gun, 160-hp engine, and SU-76M chassis. The cabin, drive wheels, and spare parts kits were redesigned. Only one prototype was built.

It is very similar to the SU-76 in characteristics, except that it mounts a larger gun and has a greatly increased gun arc. Though not the fastest, it still proves effective speed for tier 4 TD. The SU-85B is able to perform reconnaissance with intent to survive, unlike others that are often-times destroyed. Should you see someone noteworthy, many players choose to remain hidden and keep the target marked for attack. With a top speed of 43 km/h, and a view range of 310m, it has the ability to fire over long ranges and get away faster than most tanks in its tier, making it a great tank for sniping or hit and run tactics. Either way, should you choose to scout or attack, the AP round is able to make quick work of low-tier tanks, and damage some larger ones. The SU-85B is able to mount the D-5S 85-A and LB-2S guns, shooting 85mm rounds at a relatively high RPM. As a TD, the 85B also has a camouflage bonus. All this comes at the cost of HP and weak armour, meaning it can not really hold up to a lot of punishment. The stock gun on 85B is the top gun of the SU-76, and is highly recommended to upgrade the gun quickly to the 85 mm D-5S-85A, and then to the 85 mm LB-2S.

Update 9.6 reduced SU-85B's view-range from 390 to 310 meters. Now it should be better to stay behind, abandon scouting and accept the switch from delivering direct fire to relying on your allies' spotting skills.

The SU-85B leads to the SU-85.

Modules / Available Equipment and Consumables

Modules

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Guns

Tier Gun Penetration
(mm)
Damage
(HP)
Rate of fire
(rounds/minute)
Dispersion
(m/100m)
Aiming time
(s)
Weight
(kg)
Price
(Credits)

VI 57 mm ZiS-2 112/189/29 85/85/95 26.09 0.34 1.7 850 62210
V 76 mm ZiS-3 78/120/38 110/110/156 17.65 0.43 2.3 1255 34840
VI 85 mm D-5S-85A 119/161/43 160/160/280 13.33 0.42 2.3 1500 59000
VI 85 mm LB-2S 130/170/44 160/160/280 13.33 0.38 2.3 1550 62600

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Engines

Tier Engine Engine Power
(hp)
Chance of Fire on Impact
(%)
Weight
(kg)
Price
(Credits)

III GAZ-203 140 20 550 3830
III M-80 170 20 550 4130
III GMC 6004 210 15 991 4500

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Suspensions

Tier Suspension Load Limit
(т)
Traverse Speed
(гр/сек)
Rmin Weight
(kg)
Price
(Credits)

III SU-85B 12.4 38 0 3000 1800
IV SU-85B 15 40 0 3000 4510

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Radios

Tier Radio Signal Range
(м)
Weight
(kg)
Price
(Credits)

IV 9R 325 80 1980
VIII 9RM 525 100 24240


Compatible Equipment

Light Spall Liner Camouflage Net Coated Optics Experimental Optics Wear-Resistant Gun Laying Drive Innovative Loading System Extended Spare Parts Kit Enhanced Gun Laying Drive Enhanced Torsion Bars 1 t Class Cyclone Filter Medium-Caliber Tank Gun Rammer Binocular Telescope Toolbox "Wet" Ammo Rack Class 1 

Compatible Consumables

Automatic Fire Extinguisher Natural Cover Optical Calibration Aim Tuning Experienced Firefighters Manual Fire Extinguisher Large First Aid Kit Large Repair Kit Duty Comes First Lend-Lease Oil Shell Organizer Orderly Ammo Rack Focus on Target Extra Combat Rations Removed Speed Governor Increased Focus Small First Aid Kit Small Repair Kit Gearbox Intricacy Steady Hand Pre-Battle Maintenance Combat Course 


Player Opinion

Pros and Cons

Pros:


  • Extremely good top gun in most categories, equivalent to a Tier V TD or Tier VI tank guns.
  • Good acceleration, turn rates, and overall mobility
  • Good camouflage values


Cons:


  • Nearly no armour, very vulnerable to HE shells
  • Limited gun depression and elevation
  • Stock gun is easily damaged
  • Ridiculously expensive guns, most costing above 50,000 credits


Performance

The SU-85B is a long range sniper, much like its predecessor the SU-76M. Compared to his predecessor it has a better engine and a bigger punch, but it sacrifices top speed, accuracy, gun depression and elevation for it. The SU-85B has much less problems with fast light tanks, partly due to its better performance and higher health, partly due to the fact that it will usually face larger and slower opponents. Due to its much better acceleration it feels much more nimble and is able to reach its top speed within a few seconds. It has a wider gun arc at the expense of less gun depression and elevation, which diminishes its performance on hilly ground. The SU-85B is one of the few tanks with such a small gun elevation that it feels like a handicap.

While playing the SU-85B you should always remind yourself that you're driving a small but fast tin can with a huge gun. Your only defences are your good camouflage and good mobility, so don't hesitate to run away if the enemy comes too close or when its foreseeable that the situation will turn against you. Your biggest vulnerability are HE shells, as you will usually die from the first hit. Consequently, the SU-85B is a common victim of arty fire, forcing the player to change position every few shots. This isn't too much of a penalty as its awesome gun not only allows to snipe effectively but it can also kill most enemies within 2-3 shots, making the SU-85B a formidable ambusher.


Early Research

  • The 57mm gun carries over from the SU-76. Install it immediately as you will need the penetration.
  • The 9RM radio also carries over from its predecessor.
  • Research the engines first, as they are inexpensive and give you great mobility.
  • Research the suspension.
  • If you stay with the 57mm after researching the first 85mm is a matter of play style.
  • Don't skip the second 85mm, or you will miss out on the best gun for any tier 4 tank.


Suggested Equipment


Tank Gun Rammer Binocular Telescope Camouflage Net Experimental OpticsWear-Resistant Gun Laying DriveInnovative Loading SystemEnhanced Gun Laying Drive Enhanced Torsion Bars 1 t Class Cyclone Filter Medium-Caliber Tank Gun Rammer Binocular Telescope Toolbox "Wet" Ammo Rack Class 1 


Gallery

Historical Info

The SU-85B (really the GAZ-74b), was a prototype based on the SU-76. The second variant (GAZ-74b), was similar to the SU-IT-76, recommended by NII-13. The vehicle had a low silhouette, was well-armoured (45mm glacis plate) with sloped armour, and was armed with the 76 mm S-1 Gun (the same gun was mounted on the serially produced SU-76i). The new tank killer was to receive the GMC-71 diesel engine. The GAZ-74b was built, underwent factory testing, and on the whole approved by military personnel. Under the designation SU-76-I (not to be mistaken for SU-76i) or SU-74, it was subjected to government tests. However, in 1943, the arming of these vehicles with the 76 mm gun with a long barrel (41-calibres) was already considered inadequate for combat with heavy German tanks. The cost significantly exceeded that of the SU-76, which was already being mass produced. Therefore, the fate of the GAZ-74b was sealed.


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