AMX 65 t
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AMX 65 t
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[Client Values; Actual values in
2,500,000  Cost |
| 1570320 HP Hit Points |
| 61.74/6336.16/72 t Weight Limit |
- Commander
- Driver
- Gunner
- Loader
- Radio Operator
| 7501100 hp Engine Power |
| 40/15 km/h Speed Limit |
| 2525 deg/s Traverse |
| 12.1530.42 hp/t Power/Wt Ratio |
| NoNo Pivot |
| // mm Hull Armor |
| 250/120/60250/80/60 mm Turret Armor |
AP/APCR/HE
AP/APCR/HE Shells |
255/4800/255
1050/4800/810 Shell Cost |
| 240/240/320400/400/515 HP Damage |
| 212/259/45218/252/65 mm Penetration |
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8.33 r/m ▲
4.8 r/m Standard Gun ▲ Rate of Fire Standard Gun |
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1999.2 ▲
Standard Gun
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Standard Gun
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1920 Standard Gun ▲
Standard Gun
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Standard Gun
▲ Damage Per Minute Standard Gun |
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0.38 m ▲
0.36 m With 50% Crew: 0.471 m ▲ Accuracy With 50% Crew: 0.446 m |
| 2.5 s 2.5 s Aim time |
| 2326 deg/s Turret Traverse |
| 360° Gun Arc |
| -10°/+20°-8°/+13° Elevation Arc |
| 7240 rounds Ammo Capacity |
| 2020 % Chance of Fire |
| 350 m 370 m View Range |
| 400 m 750 m Signal Range |
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The AMX 65 t is a French tier 8 heavy tank.
A heavy tank design was proposed by the AMX company in 1950. The vehicle was developed alongside the AMX 50 100. It was supposed to feature reinforced armor with a "pike nose" and sloped armor plates. The other components and hull configuration resembled the Royal Tiger. Existed only in blueprints.
The AMX 65 t leads to the AMX M4 mle. 51.
Modules / Available Equipment and Consumables
Modules
Guns
| Tier | Gun | Penetration (mm) |
Damage (HP) |
Rate of fire (rounds/minute) |
Dispersion (m/100m) |
Aiming time (s) |
Weight (kg) |
Price (  )
| |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| VIII | 90 mm DCA 45 | 212/259/45 | 240/240/320 | 8.82 | 0.38 | 2.3 | 2750 | 121250 | |
| VIII | 100 mm SA47 | 232/263/50 | 300/300/400 | 6.45 | 0.34 | 3 | 3000 | 127550 | |
| IX | 120 mm D. 1203 | 218/252/65 | 400/400/515 | 4.8 | 0.36 | 2.5 | 3580 | 185000 |
Engines
| Tier | Engine | Engine Power (hp) |
Chance of Fire on Impact (%) |
Weight (kg) |
Price ( )
| |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| VIII | Maybach HL 230 P45F | 750 | 20 | 750 | 55000 | |
| IX | Maybach HL 295 | 850 | 20 | 750 | 78000 | |
| IX | Maybach HL 295 à injection d'essence | 1100 | 20 | 1200 | 86000 |
Suspensions
| Tier | Suspension | Load Limit (т) |
Traverse Speed (gr/sec) |
Rmin | Weight (kg) |
Price ( )
| |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| VII | AMX 65 t | 63 | 25 | B/2 | 13000 | 19000 | |
| VIII | AMX 65 t bis | 72 | 25 | B/2 | 13000 | 36000 |
Radios
| Tier | Radio | Signal Range (m) |
Weight (kg) |
Price ( )
| |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| X | SCR-528 Fr | 750 | 80 | 54000 | |
| VI | SCR 508 | 400 | 100 | 21600 |
Compatible Equipment
Compatible Consumables
Player Opinion
Pros and Cons
Pros:
- Decent gun handling with the 90mm gun
- High penetration with the 100mm gun
- Good alpha damage with the 120mm gun
- Good gun depression
- Reasonably armored turret face at 230mm-250mm effective , top turret's rangefinder still has 200mm effective protection
Cons:
- Large, poorly armored hull
- Top turret's rangefinder sticks out a lot, no tricky angles on the turret for reliable bounces
- Poor DPM, gun handling and aim time
- Abysmal mobility
- Poor viewrange
Performance
The tank is almost immediately considered as one of the worst tier 8s in the entire game. This fact alone makes is viable to either use free xp to skip this tank entirely or simply play at stock and avoid researching the top 120 mm gun, last engine and 2nd suspension to get to tier 9 faster. At the very first glance, it doesn't seem like a bad tank: on first sight it has a capable main gun, bouncy pike nose, rounded turret and on top of these, very high power-to-weight ratio. However, the upgraded guns are limited by poor gun handling as part of French heavy tradition. The pike nose only consists of 100mm armor which is the same as the IS-3, but with worse angling and a taller profile that also ruins the ability to sidescrape. The stock turret has strong frontal armor as long as the commander's cupola on the right of the turret is hidden, but the upgraded turret introduces an extra weakspot in the form of a rangefinder (at least its 200mm effective, but most enemies at tier 8 can punch through that anyway) which means you are always vulnerable. Comparing to the premium AMX M4 mle.49 which has the same turret armor, but 180mm front hull armor that's sloped backwards, the AMX 65t is clearly worse. Mobility is comparable to the T34 and Lowe despite high power to weight ratio due to very high terrain resistances on all terrain. Adding the poor view range and horrible camo leads to a fire support heavy that's not very good at supporting allies comparing to tanks such as the FCM 50t or AMX 50 100.
There are 4 different viable setups:
Stock turret + 100 mm gun is most flexible setup. Stock turret has stronger armor, significantly smaller profile and -10 of gun depression, but the already awful aim time on the 100 mm gun becomes even worse, view range is horrible with stock turret and the cupola has virtually no armor, but is a much smaller target than the one on top turret. It is best to use the vehicle as mid-range hulldown support vehicle. It is hard to position it correctly due to abysmal terrain resistances, as well as gigantic hull, but once positioned right, it can do decent job. The 100 mm gun has utterly awful gun handling, though, so it is recommended to fully aim each shot. Be careful, though, since being stationary means that your cupola is easier to hit. Be especially careful with Japanese heavy tanks, since they can penetrate you through the cupola for full damage with their high-explosive shells.
Stock turret + 90 mm gun gets rid of two of the tank's major flaw: poor gun handling and limited DPM. The turret lets you absorb hits while the good gun handling allows hitting shots when moving the hull back and forth to give the enemy a harder time hitting you. It's also the only gun on this tank that fires frequently enough to perma-track an enemy with a good shot to the tracks. The drawback is that you rely on premium rounds to go against even some tier 8 heavy tanks as you have no hope in flanking them. The top turret improves gun performance, but as it worsens your protection and the gun performance with stock turret is already decent, it's ill-advised.
Top turret + 100 mm gun is less effective when hulldown, but extra DPM, view range, gun stats and HP are more useful at pure damage dealing. Don't rely on turret armor at all against higher or even same tier opponents, since the "lip" is rather weak when not hulldown, and the rangefinder is a weakspot against same tier opponents. Like with the stock turret + 100 mm gun, you want to keep your opponents at mid-long ranges. The AMX 65t is a poor brawler, especially against other heavy tanks.
Top turret + 120 mm gun has an advantage of having alpha damage, giving the 65t ability to outtrade some opponents and makes it slightly more viable against other heavy tanks, though it is still a bad brawler, and will struggle with its lackluster penetration and horrible DPM. Follow a stronger heavy tank, let it take hits. Fight against targets which have lower alpha damage than you to make use of the semi-decent HP (1550) and 400 alpha damage. The gun has rather decent shell velocity so it can still work at mid-ranges, though not as effectively.
All in all, the AMX 65t is a really poor vehicle and doesn't play as a heavily armored heavy tank, as promised. It does follows up similar play style as the AMX M4 45, but with much worsened mobility it doesn't fulfill its role as well as the M4 45 at tier 7.
Early Research
The Maybach HL 295 engine and SCR-528 Fr radio carry over from the AMX M4 mle. 45 and should be installed immediately.
If you already have the 100mm SA47 unlocked (from either the main French heavy line or the BatChat/AMX 30 branches) mount it as well. If not, grind it.
If you want the 2nd cupola, last engine or last gun, research the suspension. Otherwise, skip it to save on XP.
Research the upgraded turret - unfortunately you HAVE to do it on your way up to AMX M4 Mle. 51, even if you don't want to use it.
Research the 120mm gun if you want it - if not, you can skip it completely and save on XP (it is not used on any other tank).
If you have researched the suspension previously, you may research the top engine, it is also top engine for AMX M4 Mle. 51. But it is viable to skip it to get to tier 9 faster and research it on the AMX M4 Mle. 51 instead.
Suggested Equipment
Documented Tank and Crew Builds
Since this vehicle has only mediocre damage-per-minute on 120mm gun and low alpha damage on 90mm and 100mm guns, a Gun Rammer is mandatory. The rather lousy gun dispersion values on movement and traverse can be greatly compensated by installing a Vertical Stabilizer, but the Gun Laying Drive is not that useful unless one sticks with the 100mm SA47 gun.
The third slot depends mostly on one's playstyle: If not occupied by Enhanced Torsion Bars, it could be Ventilation to further improve overall parameters, or Coated Optics to make up for subpar view range. Toolbox also worths consideration if one gets entangled in crossfire from time to time.
External Reviews and Opinions
Gallery
Historical Info
Historical Gallery
Historical Accuracy Errata
* The AMX 65T was intended to be a tank destroyer, though the designation was arbitrary - the ARL 44 was reclassified as a tank destroyer during the AMX 65T's development.
- The 90mm gun was never proposed for the AMX 65T.
