Turán III prototípus
Turán III prototípus
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[Client Values; Actual values in
1,700  Cost |
| 750150 HP Hit Points |
| 20/2312.69/23 t Weight Limit |
- Commander
- Gunner
- Driver
- Radio Operator
- Loader
| 260260 hp Engine Power |
| 40/20 km/h Speed Limit |
| 3434 deg/s Traverse |
| 1320.49 hp/t Power/Wt Ratio |
| NoNo Pivot |
| // mm Hull Armor |
| 75/35/5575/35/55 mm Turret Armor |
AP/APCR/HE
AP/APCR/HE Shells |
76/0/60
76/0/60 Shell Cost |
| 110/110/175110/110/175 HP Damage |
| 113/160/38113/160/38 mm Penetration |
|
15 r/m ▲
15 r/m Standard Gun ▲ Rate of Fire Standard Gun |
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1650 ▲
Standard Gun
▼
Standard Gun
▲
1650 Standard Gun ▲
Standard Gun
▼
Standard Gun
▲ Damage Per Minute Standard Gun |
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0.39 m ▲
0.39 m With 50% Crew: 0.483 m ▲ Accuracy With 50% Crew: 0.483 m |
| 2.2 s 2.2 s Aim time |
| 2828 deg/s Turret Traverse |
| 360° Gun Arc |
| -10°/+25°-10°/+25° Elevation Arc |
| 3939 rounds Ammo Capacity |
| 2020 % Chance of Fire |
| 330 m 330 m View Range |
| 620 m 620 m Signal Range |
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The Turán III prototípus is a German tier 5 premium medium tank.
Prototype of the WWII Hungarian medium tank. It featured the long-barreled 75 mm 43.M gun and improved armor compared to previous modifications. Never saw mass production due to the termination of vehicle manufacturing in Hungary by the summer of 1944.
The first Hungarian medium tank to be introduced in the game, the Turán III prototípus best performs as a mid-to-long range sniper with its decent accuracy and poor armor. It should be noted that this tank does not represent the final (and only) Turán III, but rather represents its wooden-turreted prototype as indicated by the name, as it lacks the extra 25mm of bolted-on frontal hull armor and side-skirts.
Modules / Available Equipment and Consumables
Modules
Guns
| Tier | Gun | Penetration (mm) |
Damage (HP) |
Rate of fire (rounds/minute) |
Dispersion (m/100m) |
Aiming time (s) |
Weight (kg) |
Price (  )
| |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| V | 75 mm 43 M. L/43 | 113/160/38 | 110/110/175 | 15 | 0.39 | 2.2 | 500 | 28000 |
Engines
| Tier | Engine | Engine Power (hp) |
Chance of Fire on Impact (%) |
Weight (kg) |
Price ( )
| |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| IV | Weiss Manfréd V-8H | 260 | 20 | 900 | 11000 |
Suspensions
| Tier | Suspension | Load Limit (т) |
Traverse Speed (gr/sec) |
Rmin | Weight (kg) |
Price ( )
| |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| V | Turán III prototípus | 23 | 34 | B/2 | 7000 | 8000 |
Radios
| Tier | Radio | Signal Range (m) |
Weight (kg) |
Price ( )
| |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| VI | R/4-T | 620 | 41 | 12000 |
Compatible Equipment
Compatible Consumables
Player Opinion
Pros and Cons
Pros:
- Large health pool
- Good hard gun stats: Decent penetration, good rate of fire, acceptable accuracy
- Decent ground resistances
- Good gun depression (10 degrees)
- Physically small, not as large a target as other Tier V mediums
Cons:
- Very low ammo count -- just 39 shells, barely two minutes of sustained fire
- Low view range, sometimes must get closer than normal to spot for itself
- Mediocre traverses, weak engine make it somewhat sluggish and hard to maneuver
- Weak armor, easily penetrated even by Tier III tanks
- No premium matchmaking -- will meet Tier VII opponents
Performance
The Turán III prototípus exemplifies the stealthy German sniper ideal like few other tanks; with its thin armor and low view range the tank does poorly on the front line and must stay in the second line to perform well. Its accuracy of 0.39 is on the better end of the scale for Tier V mediums, so it serves best at a medium range in order to avoid return fire and get the most out of its somewhat shallow 39-round ammo rack (apparently buffed from only 32). Its penetration and damage values are good -- while not as powerful as the American-built M1A1 76mm it's still sufficient for the majority of targets the Turán III can expect to face.
The main limitations of the tank are its low view range and mediocre agility; even the somewhat ungainly M4 can still out-turn it, meaning that the Turán III is not a brawler and should avoid situations where it has to fight enemies at close range. There are Tier III lights with sufficient penetration and firepower to worry the Turán, so it is far better to hang back and pick a spot somewhere between the tank destroyers and the scouts to engage the enemy. Fortunately the Turán III has excellent health and can survive a few hits, even from same-tier howitzers. Once Tier VI and VII weaponry come into play, however, the Turán's high hit points are hard to rely on. Its low weight and thin, flat armor mean that it is peculiarly vulnerable to ramming attacks.
Compared to its competition with other Tier V medium tanks using 75/76mm guns, it can claim good DPM and good aim time, better bloom control than most of its peers, and higher total health as its main advantages. However it rates poor-to-average at best in all other categories, and thus has a much more difficult time carrying battles, even at its own tier. As a result the Turán III needs spotters, teammates, and cooperation more than any other medium tank in its tier, even the Pz. Kpfw T 25. Coordinated play with a platoon can go a long way to offsetting its shortcomings.
It is extremely vulnerable on its own and badly outclassed when bottom tier, as its flanking ability is lacking and it can expect to face same-tier light tanks with enough firepower to challenge the Turán. Its inability to turn quickly means a Chaffee or Leopard can effortlessly circle a lone Turán III and severely damage or destroy it. Stay with allies whenever possible and serve as an opportunistic marksman -- deal a few quick, accurate shots at opponents and duck away before they can return the favor. Let larger allies absorb hits (Japanese heavies are great for this!) while you take 100-HP bites out of the enemy.
The Turán has a base view range of only 330 meters, but a binocular telescope, vents, a BIA crew, and Recon and Situational Awareness skills can push the view range up to 445m -- right up to the game's render range maximum. Also consider Improved Hardening to leverage the tank's good health so you can take one or two more hits and keep doing damage longer.
With its "one person for every position" crew setup -- Commander, Driver, Gunner, Radio Operator, Loader -- the Turán III can serve as the perfect crew trainer for a plethora of German mediums, including Panzers, Panthers, and VK's of various flavors, simply too many to list here.
Overall the tank plays similarly to the Japanese mid-tier mediums, focusing more on providing supportive fire at range than brawling and flanking.
Early Research
The Turán III is elite in its stock configuration.
Suggested Equipment
Improved Hardening
Gallery
Historical Info
At first to resolve this problem the Hungarians tried to convince their ally, Germany, to sell manufactured tanks or the production rights for one of their most advanced tank designs, for example the Pz. Kpfw. IV Ausf. H or the Pz. Kpfw. V Panther. Of course, Germany was unwilling to sell manufactured tanks in large numbers to any of their allies, because in 1943, they nearly couldn’t even produce enough combat vehicles for their own purposes. They did not have any advanced tanks to spare.
In the production rights/license issue, Germany was also unwilling to sell any of their advanced designs, because on one hand, at that time, the Pz. IV H and Pz. V designs were still in an immature state -- the Hungarian delegation visited Germany in April 1943, the month when the production of the Ausf H. started, and the first version of the Panther, the Ausf. D was just in production for a few months.
On the other hand, even if the Hungarian military leaders didn’t want to admit it, Hungarian industry was not advanced enough to produce such a complicated vehicle as the Panther. Plus, complete switch to a new product would have halted the assembly lines for months and the Hungarian Army could not afford such outage.
However the Germans offered the production rights (with a horribly high price tag) for one of their earlier tank design, namely the license for the Pz. Kpfw. Ausf. F2, which was armed with the 7.5cm KwK 40 L/43 cannon. But the Hungarian Institute of Military Science (HTI) found the Ausf. F2 not enough, a „too little step ahead”, so the Hungarians decided to resolve the problem domestically. After the failed purchase the Hungarian Military Leaderboard and the HTI decided (or at least tried) to solve the problem of the missing powerful medium tank in two ways:
- At first, to modify the existing Turán I and II design, or even already manufactured vehicles, with additional (bolted on) armor plates, and mounting a higher performance, long barrel 75mm cannon in a reshaped turret on them. This project became the Turán III
- In the meantime, while the factories manufacture the upgraded Turán, make a completely new and advanced tank design on their own, which could compete even against the most advanced enemy armour. This project resulted later in the 44M. Tas medium tank.
The original requirements for the modified Turán III were the following:
- Mount the new 75mm 43 M. L/55 cannon on the same turret of the Turán I and II
- Bolt additional armour plates on the most critical points of the armour, to increase the protection of the vehicle. That means for example on the frontal armour plate: increase from 50 to 80mm
- Add factory mounted, perforated 8mm side-skirts against Soviet anti-tank rifles
- Increase the engine performance if possible
However because of the lack of resources and development time not every modification could be carried out.
The above mentioned 75mm 43 M. L/55 tank gun was already under development at that time, thanks to the 43M. Zrínyi I assault gun project, that carried this exact cannon too. It was the slightly modified licensed version of the German 7.5cm Pak 40, which the Germans sold to Hungary after long negotiations. However its development was very slow so only two pieces were ever made by the DIMÁVAG factory in December 1943 before the end of the war -- one for the Zrínyi I prototype and another for the Turán III prototype -- because of the continuous malfunctions of the prototype guns. One of these two guns was used for the factory trials of the 44M. Tas as well.
The long 75mm gun simply could not be fitted into the turret of the Turán I or Turán II, so the engineers had to design a new, bigger turret, which meant that the earlier Turán versions could not get the new cannon so easily. The newly redesigned turret’s wooden prototype was completed in September 1943 and was tested with a wooden dummy gun on a Turán II chassis with 2H-012 license plate. The turret ring diameter didn’t change but the turret itself became wider, longer (to balance the longer gun), and much higher than the earlier Turán turrets.
The strangely high turret design came from an earlier stage plan where the redesigned turret got an additional “elevated” commander cupola so the commander could command the vehicle while he was standing. This idea was later rejected, but the “elevated” commander cupola remained and this made the shape of the turret rather odd. The early wooden prototype turret differed from the later “would be serial” turret in one part.
Plus it didn’t have factory mounted side skirts, unlike the planned serial vehicle.
Note: Some older books says that there was another prototype turret, which was more similar to the turret of the Turán II. This turret would have been able to carry one less (only two instead of three) crew members because of the lack of inner space. However no pictures or details about it have been found and newer books and articles didn’t say anything about this alternative turret, so this might be an incorrect information.
To speed up the development the thickness of the hull armour front plate and the gun mantlet was only increased from 50mm to 75 (25+25+25mm of bolted armor) instead of the desired 80. In addition the thickness of the hull side armour, the frontal armour of the commander cupola, and the turret side and rear armour were increased by a little bit as well. Unfortunately the performance of original WM V-8H engine was not changed because there was not enough time to develop it. And because of the increased weight with the same engine, maximum speed decreased to 39 km/h.
The first complete 43M. Turán III -- also known as Turán 75 hosszú (=long) -- prototype with the new turret, increased armor thickness, the long 75mm gun and additional 8mm thick side-skirts was finished in February 1944. However, because of the late war raw material shortage such as the necessary alloy elements and the decrease of production capacity due to the continuous Allied bombing runs against Hungarian industrial areas, no more Turán III tanks were ever created except that one prototype, even though some sources claim that another four or five Turán II's were upgraded (up-armoured) to Turán III's without the long 75mm gun.
Sadly the later fate of that Turán III is unknown.
Characteristics
Name: 43M. Turán III (Turán 75 hosszú) Year: 1943-44 Manufacturer: WM Crew: 5, Commander, Gunner, Driver, Radioman, Loader Combat weight: 21 t Combat weight with side-skirts: 23,3 t Ground pressure: 0,7 kp/cm2 Ground pressure with side-skirts: 0,78 kp/cm2
Engine: WM V-8H, 8 cylinders, 260 hp at 2200 r/m, 14866 cm3, petrol Power to weight ratio (with side-skirts): 12,4 hp/t Max speed forward: 39 km/h Max speed with side-skirts: 37 km/h
Dimensions in mm: - Full length: 5530
- Full length with barrel: 6860
- Full width: 2440
- Full width with side-skirts: 2650
- Height with turret: 2655
- Ground clearance: 380
Armour: riveted, bolted - front: 75 mm
- side, rear: 35 mm
- top, bottom: 13 mm
- side skirts: 8 mm from 580-600 mm of the side
Turret: Turán III - turret lenght: 2280
- turret width: 1980
- turret height: 1125
- turret ring diameter: 1700
- mantlet armour: 75 mm
- turret side armour: 35 mm
- turret rear armour: 55 mm
- commander cupola front armour: 60 mm
- side-skirt: 8 mm from 250 mm of the turret side
Guns: - 43 M. 75mm L/55 tank gun (Licence built, modified version of the German 7,5cm Pak 40 cannon.) muzzle velocity with AP: 770 m/s max. range: 7500-8600 m theoretical rate of fire: 12 shots/min recoil: 480-500mm vertical gun depression, elevation: -?°, +?° (no data)
ammo: 32 shells, - 7,5cm 43 M. páncélgránát (AP);
- 7,5cm 43 M. páncélrobbantógránát (HEAT);
- 7,5cm 40 (40W) M. különleges német páncélgránát (=special German anti-armor round) (APCR);
- 7,5cm 43 M. repeszgránát (HE)
penetration with AP in 60°: 85mm/100m, 80mm/300m, 76mm/500m, 66mm/1000m penetration with AP in 90°: 113mm/100m, 106mm/300m, 101mm/500m, 88mm/1000m penetration with HEAT in 60°: 90mm @ any distance up to 1200m
2x 34/40A M. Gebauer 8 mm machinegun, 3000 rounds (historical secondary armaments)
Radios: - R/5a
- R/4-T
