Grille 15
Grille 15
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[Client Values; Actual values in
6,100,000  Cost |
| 1800360 HP Hit Points |
| 40/4522.96/45 t Weight Limit |
- Commander
- Gunner
- Driver
- Radio Operator
- Loader
- Loader
| 850850 hp Engine Power |
| 60/15 km/h Speed Limit |
| 2424 deg/s Traverse |
| 21.2537.02 hp/t Power/Wt Ratio |
| YesYes Pivot |
| // mm Hull Armor |
AP/HEAT/HE
AP/HEAT/HE Shells |
1680/6000/1140
1680/6000/1140 Shell Cost |
| 750/750/950750/750/950 HP Damage |
| 279/334/75279/334/75 mm Penetration |
|
3.33 r/m ▲
3.33 r/m Standard Gun ▲ Rate of Fire Standard Gun |
|
2497.5 ▲
Standard Gun
▼
Standard Gun
▲
2497.5 Standard Gun ▲
Standard Gun
▼
Standard Gun
▲ Damage Per Minute Standard Gun |
|
0.27 m ▲
0.27 m With 50% Crew: 0.334 m ▲ Accuracy With 50% Crew: 0.334 m |
| 1.5 s 1.5 s Aim time |
| 2020 deg/s Gun Traverse Speed |
| 100° Gun Arc |
| -7°/+15°-7°/+15° Elevation Arc |
| 3030 rounds Ammo Capacity |
| 1515 % Chance of Fire |
| 390 m 390 m View Range |
| 720 m 720 m Signal Range |
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The Grille 15 is a German tier 10 tank destroyer.
In the summer of 1942, Waffenamt (the German Army Weapon Agency) concluded an agreement with the Krupp and Rheinmetall companies for designing a tank destroyer on the chassis of the Panther tank. It was planned to mount either the 128-mm K 43 gun or the 150-mm sFH 43 howitzer. The projects were designated Grille 12 and Grille 15, featured rear placement of the fighting compartment, and differed only in the artillery system type. Later, the Grille 15 received a 150-mm gun with a length of 63 calibers, which could penetrate 200 mm of armor at 4,000 meters. However, development was slow, and the Grille 15 remained only in blueprints.
The final development of its tank destroyer tech tree, the Grille 15 is a far more reasonable conclusion to its respective branch's play-style than the enormous, hulking, DPM burst-damage monster known as the Waffenträger auf E 100, which the Grille 15 replaced as the Tier X tank destroyer. Upon entering the fray, the Grille 15 was unsurprisingly met with a polarizing reaction from the community. Some players praised the new vehicle's dynamics and characteristics as much more familiar to what they were accustomed to with the previous vehicles of the branch. Others were simply relieved that they would no longer have to face the overwhelming, unbalanced firepower of the WT auf E100 on the battlefield. And the rest cried out in disappointment, having lost their team-slaying behemoth TD and received a much weaker, albeit much more sensible, vehicle in return.
However, despite the fact that the Grille 15 is nowhere near the "lane-crushing machine" status of the WT auf E100, it is still a capable Tier X Tank Destroyer with its own unique skill set. The most noticeable aspect of the Grille 15 is the extremely long-barreled 15cm gun for which the vehicle is named. It is one of the most accurate and fastest aiming guns in the game and on top of that, it fires highly damaging AP shells with excellent velocity. This makes the Grille 15 one of the best sniper tanks in the game. Keep in mind however that this exceptional accuracy is only available when the vehicle is stationary, as any movement of the hull or turret will cause large aim-circle bloom which adds 3-4 extra seconds, if not minutes, to the aim time. And on the topic of movement, it should be noted that the Grille 15 can reach a very respectable top speed and re-position itself quite easily should the need arise.
The armor of the Grille 15, however, is extremely thin and totally unimpressive. A Grille 15 which finds itself in even a moderate center of attention from the enemy will almost certainly not survive long. Play this tank as a concealed sniper or as a fire support vehicle to heavily armored teammates who can protect your tank in order to maximize its potential and in turn its contributions to the battle.
The Grille 15 marks the end of its German tank destroyer line.
Modules / Available Equipment and Consumables
Modules
Guns
| Tier | Gun | Penetration (mm) |
Damage (HP) |
Rate of fire (rounds/minute) |
Dispersion (m/100m) |
Aiming time (s) |
Weight (kg) |
Price (  )
| |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| X | 15 cm Pak L/63 | 279/334/75 | 750/750/950 | 3.33 | 0.27 | 1.5 | 6300 | 340000 |
Engines
| Tier | Engine | Engine Power (hp) |
Chance of Fire on Impact (%) |
Weight (kg) |
Price ( )
| |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| X | Maybach NL 234 | 850 | 15 | 1200 | 120000 |
Suspensions
| Tier | Suspension | Load Limit (т) |
Traverse Speed (gr/sec) |
Rmin | Weight (kg) |
Price ( )
| |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| X | Grille 15 | 45 | 24 | 0 | 12000 | 82500 |
Radios
| Tier | Radio | Signal Range (m) |
Weight (kg) |
Price ( )
| |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| X | 10WSc | 720 | 160 | 51600 |
Compatible Equipment
Compatible Consumables
Player Opinion
Pros and Cons
Pros:
- Outstanding accuracy and aim time
- Great shell velocity with standard AP shells
- Very good top speed and good acceleration
- Wide gun arc and decent gun depression
Cons:
- Extremely poor survivability - low hitpoint pool, no armour, open-topped
- Very poor camouflage for a sniper TD
- Abysmal ground resistance on soft terrain
- Extremely poor on the move dispersion, every shot needs to be fully aimed
- Fairly low penetration for a Tier 10 tank destroyer
Performance
The Grille 15 was introduced in Patch 9.15 to replace the Waffentrager auf E100. Unlike the FV 215-183b and Foch 155, the WT auf E100 was truly removed, with original owners only gaining the Grille 15 in return. The tank performs like an E25 with a high alpha gun and worse camo than the WT Pz. IV. It can run around the map going 55-60 kph which allows it to easily relocate after shooting to make up for its average camo values, although the fact that the turret doesn't traverse fully hinders this strategy a lot. Its accurate gun with fast aim time makes snap shooting very easy. A big threat is being circled; it may be fast but its traverse is subpar and you can easily be killed by heavies who out traverse you. You need to use your speed to stay safe and your gun to keep enemies at bay.
- In 9.17.1 the Grille 15 was nerfed:
Gun depression from -8 -> -7 AP velocity from 1350 -> 1200 Reverse speed from 20 -> 15 Reload from 15.82 -> 17.26 (DPM from 2,844 -> 2,607) Engine power from 900 -> 850 (power/weight 22.5 -> 21.25, also effective traverse speed is lower)
Early Research
No alternatives
Suggested Equipment
Gallery
Historical Info
The in-game Grille 15 is a combination of the various Krupp proposals of Panther-based self-propelled guns, and the superheavy guns developed for use on various SPG's.
Krupp Waffenträgers
Krupp designed various Waffenträgers using the chassis of the Panther tank. These included the Grille 12 and the Grille 15, which would have used a 128mm gun and a 150mm sFh 43 gun respectively. Wooden models of the vehicles, which included the related Heushrecke 12 and 15 designs, were ready in January 1943. The prototype vehicles were supposed to be ready in September 1943, but in April, it was decided to produce only one prototype of Grille 12/15, while in May 1943, both the Heuershrecke 12 and 15 were cancelled. In the meanwhile some work on the Grille 12/15 continued. However, as with many German late war projects, the war needs intervened and the Grille 12/15 was eventually cancelled in late 1943. A mock-up of the Grille 12/15 was made, though it looks very different from the Grille 15 in-game.
Superheavy Guns
In late March of 1944, the Krupp design bureau developed two guns: the 15 cm StuK L/63 and 17 cm StuK L/53. According to calculations, both could penetrate 200 mm of armour at 4 kilometers. It is not known who the intended target for these monsters was, but both guns appear in Guderian's report detailing potential developments on April 7th, 1944.
The designation of both guns dictated that they were meant for SPGs. These guns could potentially be installed on relatively light Panther or Tiger based vehicles, but in reality only one carrier was built, the 17 cm Kanone 72 (Sfl) Geschuetzwagen Tiger otherwise known as Grille 17. The choice of chassis for gigantic anti-tank guns remained open.
Historical Gallery
Historical Accuracy Errata
* While it is possible that the Grille 15 was revived and redesigned as a platform for the 15 cm L/63 gun, there are no publicly known plans, blueprints, or documents for that project.
