FV3805

FV3805

UK | SPG | Tier IX

Battle Tier

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3,560,000   Cost

45090 HP Hit Points

46/5229.11/55 t Weight Limit

Crew

1. Commander (Radio Operator)
2. Gunner
3. Driver
4. Loader
5. Loader

Mobility

650750 hp Engine Power

40/12 km/h Speed Limit

2022 deg/s Traverse

14.1325.76 hp/t Power/Wt Ratio

YesYes Pivot

Armor

// mm Hull Armor

Armament

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700/750/720 0/2080/1960 Shell Cost

550/650/400850/1000/560 HP Damage

35/44/21246/58/306 mm Penetration

| |}} | |}} 2.61 r/m  ▲ Standard Gun Reload Times Nominal: 23 s 50% Crew: 28.49 s 75% Crew: 24.88 s 100% Crew: 22.05 s Rammer: 19.85 s Vents: 21.56 s Both: 19.41 s Both and BiA: 18.99 s Both and Max Crew %: 18.2 s See Crew, Consumables, or Equipment for more information. | |}} | |}} 1.62 r/m  ▲ Standard Gun Reload Times Nominal: 37 s 50% Crew: 45.83 s 75% Crew: 40.02 s 100% Crew: 35.48 s Rammer: 31.93 s Vents: 34.7 s Both: 31.23 s Both and BiA: 30.55 s Both and Max Crew %: 29.28 s See Crew, Consumables, or Equipment for more information. Rate of Fire

| |}} | |}} 1435.5 ▲ Standard Gun Using Shell Type 1 (550 Damage): With wholly penetrating hits Theoretical Damage Per Minute Nominal DPM: 1435.5 50% Crew: 1160.5 75% Crew: 1325.5 100% Crew: 1496 100% Crew Vents: 1529 Rammer: 1661 Both: 1699.5 Both and BiA: 1738 Both and Max Crew %: 1815 Advantageous Damage Per Minute First-shot DPM: 1985.5 50% Crew: 1710.5 75% Crew: 1875.5 100% Crew: 2046 100% Crew Rammer: 2211 Vents: 2079 Both: 2249.5 Both and BiA: 2288 Both and Max Crew %: 2365 See here, here, or here for more information. ▼ Standard Gun Using Shell Type 2 (650 Damage): With wholly penetrating hits Theoretical Damage Per Minute Nominal DPM: 1696.5 50% Crew: 1371.5 75% Crew: 1566.5 100% Crew: 1768 100% Crew Vents: 1807 Rammer: 1963 Both: 2008.5 Both and BiA: 2054 Both and Max Crew %: 2145 Advantageous Damage Per Minute First-shot DPM: 2346.5 50% Crew: 2021.5 75% Crew: 2216.5 100% Crew: 2418 100% Crew Rammer: 2613 Vents: 2457 Both: 2658.5 Both and BiA: 2704 Both and Max Crew %: 2795 See here, here, or here for more information. ▲ Standard Gun Using Shell Type 3 (400 Damage): Theoretical Damage Per Minute Nominal DPM: 1044 50% Crew: 844 75% Crew: 964 100% Crew: 1088 100% Crew Vents: 1112 Rammer: 1208 Both: 1236 Both and BiA: 1264 Both and Max Crew %: 1320 Advantageous Damage Per Minute First-shot DPM: 1444 50% Crew: 1244 75% Crew: 1364 100% Crew: 1488 100% Crew Rammer: 1608 Vents: 1512 Both: 1636 Both and BiA: 1664 Both and Max Crew %: 1720 See here, here, or here for more information. | |}} | |}} 1377 ▲ Standard Gun Using Shell Type 1 (850 Damage): With wholly penetrating hits Theoretical Damage Per Minute Nominal DPM: 1377 50% Crew: 1113.5 75% Crew: 1275 100% Crew: 1436.5 100% Crew Vents: 1470.5 Rammer: 1598 Both: 1632 Both and BiA: 1666 Both and Max Crew %: 1742.5 Advantageous Damage Per Minute First-shot DPM: 2227 50% Crew: 1963.5 75% Crew: 2125 100% Crew: 2286.5 100% Crew Rammer: 2448 Vents: 2320.5 Both: 2482 Both and BiA: 2516 Both and Max Crew %: 2592.5 See here, here, or here for more information. ▼ Standard Gun Using Shell Type 2 (1000 Damage): With wholly penetrating hits Theoretical Damage Per Minute Nominal DPM: 1620 50% Crew: 1310 75% Crew: 1500 100% Crew: 1690 100% Crew Vents: 1730 Rammer: 1880 Both: 1920 Both and BiA: 1960 Both and Max Crew %: 2050 Advantageous Damage Per Minute First-shot DPM: 2620 50% Crew: 2310 75% Crew: 2500 100% Crew: 2690 100% Crew Rammer: 2880 Vents: 2730 Both: 2920 Both and BiA: 2960 Both and Max Crew %: 3050 See here, here, or here for more information. ▲ Standard Gun Using Shell Type 3 (560 Damage): Theoretical Damage Per Minute Nominal DPM: 907.2 50% Crew: 733.6 75% Crew: 840 100% Crew: 946.4 100% Crew Vents: 968.8 Rammer: 1052.8 Both: 1075.2 Both and BiA: 1097.6 Both and Max Crew %: 1148 Advantageous Damage Per Minute First-shot DPM: 1467.2 50% Crew: 1293.6 75% Crew: 1400 100% Crew: 1506.4 100% Crew Rammer: 1612.8 Vents: 1528.8 Both: 1635.2 Both and BiA: 1657.6 Both and Max Crew %: 1708 See here, here, or here for more information. Damage Per Minute

| |}} 0.63 m  ▲ With 50% Crew: 0.78 m With 75% Crew: 0.681 m With 100% Crew: 0.604 m With BiA: 0.591 m With BiA and Vents: 0.578 m Maximum possible: 0.554 m For more details, see Crew | |}} 0.74 m  ▲ With 50% Crew: 0.917 m With 75% Crew: 0.8 m With 100% Crew: 0.71 m With BiA: 0.694 m With BiA and Vents: 0.679 m Maximum possible: 0.651 m For more details, see Crew Accuracy

| |}} 4.3 s  ▲ With 50% Crew: 5.327 s With 75% Crew: 4.651 s With 100% Crew: 4.123 s With GLD: 3.748 s With BiA: 4.032 s With BiA and Vents: 3.945 s With both and GLD: 3.586 s Maximum possible: 3.437 s For more details, see Crew or Equipment | |}} 4.8 s  ▲ With 50% Crew: 5.946 s With 75% Crew: 5.192 s With 100% Crew: 4.602 s With GLD: 4.184 s With BiA: 4.501 s With BiA and Vents: 4.403 s With both and GLD: 4.003 s Maximum possible: 3.837 s For more details, see Crew or Equipment Aim time

1212 deg/s Gun Traverse Speed

50° Gun Arc

-5°/+70°-2°/+63° Elevation Arc

7648 rounds Ammo Capacity

General

2020 % Chance of Fire

275 m  ▲ With 50% Crew: 216.1 m With 75% Crew: 245.6 m With 100% Crew: 275 m With Recon and Situational Awareness: 288.9 m With Coated Optics: 302.5 m With Binocular Telescope: 343.75 m Maximum possible: 393.7 m For more details, see Skills or Equipment 275 m  ▲ With 50% Crew: 216.1 m With 75% Crew: 245.6 m With 100% Crew: 275 m With Recon and Situational Awareness: 288.9 m With Coated Optics: 302.5 m With Binocular Telescope: 343.75 m Maximum possible: 393.7 m For more details, see Skills or Equipment View Range

| |}} 550 m  ▲ With 50% Crew: 432.1 m With 75% Crew: 491.1 m With 100% Crew: 550 m With 100% Signal Boost: 660 m When affected by 100% Relaying: 605 m Maximum possible: 791.4 m For more details, see Skills or Equipment | |}} 750 m  ▲ With 50% Crew: 589.3 m With 75% Crew: 669.7 m With 100% Crew: 750 m With 100% Signal Boost: 900 m When affected by 100% Relaying: 825 m Maximum possible: 1079.2 m For more details, see Skills or Equipment Signal Range

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FV207

FV3805

Conqueror Gun Carriage

Additional Statistics
(Top Configuration)

Camouflage

• Stationary: 8.2%
• When Moving: 4.1%
• When Firing: 0.9%

Terrain Resistance

• On Hard Ground: 1.15
• On Medium Ground: 1.34
• On Soft Ground: 2.21

Dispersion Change Values

• Turret Contribution
• Rotation: 0.5
• Shot Recoil: 5.75
• Suspension Contribution
• Acceleration: 0.35
• Turning: 0.35

With 100% Crew

IX

3560000

The FV3805 is a British tier 9 self-propelled gun.

In 1947, the SPG development program was approved by the British government. Several variants based on the Centurion were proposed. One of them featured a 140-mm howitzer. Two prototypes were built in 1957. In 1960, development of the SPG was discontinued. The vehicle never saw service.

The FV3805 leads to the Conqueror Gun Carriage.

Modules / Available Equipment and Consumables

Modules

Guns

Tier	Gun	Penetration (mm)	Damage (HP)	Rate of fire (rounds/minute)	Dispersion (m/100m)	Aiming time (s)		Weight (kg)	Price ()
VII	B.L. 5.5-in. Gun	35/44/212	550/650/400	2.61	0.63	4.3		1869	88000
VIII	Q.F. 6-in. Gun Mk. V	38/48/254	650/800/480	2.14	0.65	4.5		6960	130000
IX	B.L. 7.2-in. Howitzer Mk. 6	46/58/306	850/1000/560	1.62	0.74	4.8		7972	230000

Engines

Tier	Engine	Engine Power (hp)	Chance of Fire on Impact (%)		Weight (kg)	Price ()
V	Rolls-Royce Meteor Mk. IVB	650	20		744	16000
IX	Rolls-Royce Meteor Mk. IVC	750	20		744	84000

Suspensions

Tier	Suspension	Load Limit (т)	Traverse Speed (gr/sec)	Rmin		Weight (kg)	Price ()
VIII	FV3805	52	20	0		20000	30000
IX	FV3806	55	22	0		20000	62000

Radios

Tier	Radio	Signal Range (m)		Weight (kg)	Price ()
VIII	WS No. 22	700		40	25000
VIII	WS No. 19 Mk. III	550		40	22000
X	SR C42	750		40	54000

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Compatible Consumables

                       

Player Opinion

Pros and Cons

Pros:

• Gun range: first: 1300 m, second: 1400 m, top: 1350 m
• Very good gun arc
• Very mobile for it's size
• Second gun is accurate and has a good RoF, at the expense of low damage
• Good balance of damage, accuracy, and reload on the upgraded gun

Cons:

• Big size
• Low damage on non-top guns
• Crew does not match FV207 and Conqueror Gun Carriage (one less gunner)

Performance

The FV3805 is the tier 9 artillery piece in the British line. It is often overshadowed by the Conqueror Gun Carriage, but it is also a capable artillery piece. It has two guns, which allows for two different playstyle setups. One can mount the upgraded gun for high damage and splash per shot, or one can opt for the FV207's gun with it's high rate of fire and good accuracy. It is far more mobile than the 212a and the G.W. Tiger, but less mobile than the Bat Chatillion 155 55 and M53/55. Most people consider the M53/55 to the superior artillery piece, thus the FV3805 does not see much Clan Wars use.

Early Research

• The Q.F. 6-in. Gun Mk. V, Rolls-Royce Meteor Mk. IVC Engine, and SR C42 Radio carry over from the FV207. Mount them immediately.
• First research the FV3806 Suspension.
• Finally research the B.L. 7.2-in. Howitzer Mk. 6.

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Historical Info

FV 3805 side view

Shortly after the Brits created the FV Centurion, the engineers did what all great engineers so, they worked out how to stick bigger and more powerful guns onto this time proven chassis. The FV 3805 was developed to complete the idea of the Universal tanks that Britain had been seeking for some time, in this case; the medium gun self propelled version. It was a Centurion tank with a casemate replacing the turret, reversed transmission and what looks like a short barrel version of the BL 5.5" Mk 3 medium gun firing over the engine deck. The Israelis also have an SPG based on the Centurion with NATO name M-72 wielding a M-71 155mm ordnance in a new turret on a new upper hull. It had a hatch in the front glacis beside the driver's position for easier access and escape. Only the FV3802 and FV3805's were prototyped. And none were put into production and I don’t know why, maybe the Abbot design was deemed better, or maybe the War office, now known as the MOD decided that heavy SPG’s were a soviet thing and by Jove they were not going to go down that route. It would appear from further rooting around in my library that it was more an issue of standardisation within NATO, and the upcoming joint European SPG project that was never completed but ran behind the scenes to produce the AS90 while the Abbot served as out primary Arty.

The FV3805 prototype was completed in 1957 and had hydraulic brakes and steering. Along with the features mentioned above the driver was positioned above the level of the engine bay roof to the left of the ordnance and the vehicle's forward direction was to the rear of a Centurion tank, for those of you who have read my previous posts, this is not an uncommon trait, the Archer tank destroyer had a similar method of driving and shooting, so this Arty piece wont come as a shock to some players. The barrel of the main gun was much shorter than the BL 5.5” Mk 3 medium gun and was considered a howitzer designed for shorter high angled shots, while its bigger cousin with the 5.5 could counter Soviet heavy guns. Crew was only four with driver, commander, gunner and single loader, who manually loaded the large shells; at this time I have no info on the rate of fire.

Design featuers

Power

Rolls Royce Meteor Engine

The similar looking FV3802 was the opposite of its 3805 brother in some respects; It retained the original Centurion tank's driver position and transmission arrangement and had the QF 25 Pounder gun-howitzer like above. The length was shortened and the running gear was modified and only two full twin wheels per side with an additional single wheel arrangement filling in for the rest, Both vehicles kept the Rolls-Royce Meteor engine 650 hp (480 kW) , and “frontal” armour was still believed to be at 180mm (including slope) speed would have been slightly faster than the Centurions 22mphm due to less turret weight/power, but only marginally due to heavier ammo and rear casemate. Both designs look to use the Horstman suspension type for durability and ease of repair (Horstman Suspension is named after the engineer Sidney Horstman who designed the self contained coil spring bogie system, In this patent he refers to the use of a torsion bar to support the vehicle weight. This was around 9 years before Ferdinand Porsche founded his design company, while long dead the company now survives as: Horstmann Defence Systems Ltd – and there looking for engineers in fluid suspension. anyway I digress)

Superstructore

From the images of the FV3802 it would appear to have a semi turret within the casemate and not a ball and socket type joint, from guesswork until I can have a root in the deeper archives I would estimate it has a traverse of about 140 degrees with 70 to either side and an elevation of about 45-50 degrees the FV3805 seems to very similar but with a (and again guess work) longer recoil I would think its elevation is more limited to 40-45 degrees. From the Photos and comparing it to known parts of the Centurion hull, the front of the casemate appears to me 7cm dovetail and welded plate, so 70mm of frontal turret armor and 180 effective on the hull. frontal shots can be harder for scouts than expected, obvious weak spots: (which are a novelty for Arty, who generally consist of any bit on the screen as a weak spot) are the large loaders hatch on the casemate side, and the spotting and viewing “bucket” on the casemate top. There would also appear to be a large loading bay or door on the back of the casemate. The commander appears to be in the top left of the FV3802.

Firepower

FV3805 on trials

The FV3805 mounted the 5.5 inch 140mm gun was based on the BL 5.5 Inch medium gun introduced in 1941 to North Africa as a towed piece. It fired to separate rounds the heavy and light the heavy shell weighed 100 lb shell and with 4 charges in two cartridges gave it a MV of 1675 feet per second and a range of about 16km. In 1944 an 82 lb shell was introduced with the Super charge round giving a maximum range table MV of 1950 feet per second of 18Km The lighter shell contained 1.5 lbs more HE and gradually replaced the heavier shell. In addition to HE there were several chemical (90 – 98 lbs) and colored smoke shells (100 lb only), and colored flares were developed.

5.5 inch howitzer

The 5.5-inch Gun was one of the two British medium guns of World War 2, which both used the same carriage (the other was the 4.5-inch Gun). It first entered service in 1942 replacing 6-inch Howitzers in medium regiments. It had limited service in Indian regiments and equipped a South African and three Canadian regiments in Europe. It was popular and recognized as an effective gun, however, there was a problem with bore premature, particularly in Burma and in late 1944 some 5.5-inch were temporarily replaced by old 6-inch howitzers in that theatre. Initially it had a 100 lb shell but later in the war an 80 lb shell was introduced and this eventually replaced the 100 lb. It left British service in the mid-1970s, UK last used them operationally in Borneo and Radfan in the mid-1960s and the last round was fired in UK was in 1995. Its last operational use seems to have been with the South African Defence Force in Angola in the 1980s. In European countries it was referred to as the 140-mm (or 14-cm) gun.

Self propelled varians

No SP versions ever entered service although an SP was the highest priority equipment at the end on WW2. After WW2 there was an open SP built on the Crusader gun tractor, some design work on FV 305, a 5.5-inch SP using the proposed FV 300 series carriage, it was cancelled in 1948. However, in 1950 a new SP design started, FV 3805, based on a Centurion tank chassis. A prototype was built, it had a fully enclosed fighting compartment and a barbette mounted gun. It was cancelled in about 1958.

Proposed variants

FV3801 - Gun Tractor

FV3802 - 25pdr SP Artillery Field Equipments

FV3803 - Command Post Vehicle

FV3804 - Ammonution Vehicle

FV3805 - 5.5 inch SP Gun - built two prototypes

FV3806 - 7.2 inch SP Gun

FV3807 - 120mm SP AT Gun

FV3808 - SP Mounting, Medium

FV3809 - 155mm SP AT Gun

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Historical Gallery

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  FV3805

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  Rolls Royce Meteor Engine

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  The only Surviving FV3805 vehicle

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  FV 3805 side view

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  FV3805 on trials

Historical Accuracy Errata

The following are consensus errors or inconsistencies which have been identified with the configuration of the vehicle in question and conflict with information available on the public record. The causes for these divergences in the game are normally not disclosed and may be rooted in game balance.

The FV3805 was only fitted with the 650 hp engine. The 750 hp engine configuration is fake.

• The 7.2-inch howitzer variant never progressed beyond the stages of feasibility discussions and/or mock-ups, and was quickly discounted.
• The Q.F. 6-in. Gun Mk. V was a naval gun that was fitted to HMS Cumberland and the Tiger-class cruisers. Its configuration on the FV3805 is fake.

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Self-Propelled Guns

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