Ship:Knyaz Suvorov - Revision history

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HasteMakesWaste:na at 22:12, 13 November 2022

2022-11-13T22:12:22Z

HasteMakesWaste:na at 21:03, 13 November 2022

2022-11-13T21:03:17Z

HasteMakesWaste:na: Updated history writeup and populated historical gallery, added consumable charges

2022-11-13T21:02:34Z

Updated history writeup and populated historical gallery, added consumable charges

LemonEagle:sea at 18:12, 12 July 2022

2022-07-12T18:12:44Z

ThemasterTanker1:na: camo section removed

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 Despite this, work continued on the new battleships, and in April 1907, the newly formed Naval General Staff (MGSh) outlined the purpose and specifications of the future dreadnoughts. While their purpose was vague at best &mdash; they should operate as a squadron, engage "at various ranges" and should embody "the maximum development of all offensive and defensive facilities" &mdash; the specifications were very similar to those outlined by Birilëv’s committee. They should have 14-18 120 mm secondary guns, four broadside and one stern underwater torpedo tube, and a variety of increased armor and speed requirements. These characteristics were passed to the Naval Technical Committee, who developed technical requirements, and two designs were developed according to them. One was a 20,000 ton ship developed by Baltic Works, with all main battery guns at one level and the 120 mm battery in six small twin turrets. The other was a 19,900 ton design by the Novoe sudostroenie group (aka Skvortsov Design 1907), which had the B turret superfiring and a casemate secondary battery. In all other aspects, the designs were quite similar. However, neither design was immediately chosen due to the MGSh revising its requirements, which would change several times over the course of 1907. One of these revisions originated from false information that future German battleships would carry 16 305 mm guns, with 12 in triple turrets. Studies showed that triple turrets would increase salvo weight by 15%, compared to a same-numbered twin turret battery. As such, it was desired that the new battleships would mount triple turrets in a centerline layout, all on the same level. This also meant the battleships would need little superstructure. These were adopted in a December 1907 design competition, and the Skvortsov Design 1907 remained on paper.
-===Historical Inaccuracies===
+===Historical Inaccuracy Errata===
 * ''Knyaz Suvorov'' is actually the name of a Borodino-class pre-dreadnought that was sunk in the Battle of Tsushima in 1905. The in-game ''{{#var:ship_name}}'' is named after this very ship. No warship in the Russian Navy has used the name since.
 * The original layout sported a relatively modern arrangement of the secondary guns in low-profile twin turrets, Wargaming instead opted to mount them as traditional casemates to the sides, significantly raising the middle deck superstructure and the main gun turrets there.
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	The special committee then handed the matter back to Birilëv’s committee, along with two of the front running designs. One of them was one produced by the Novoe sudostroenie (New Shipbuilding), a design bureau headed by D.V. Skvortsov. The other was Design No. 260 by the British Vickers, at 21,800 tons, armed with ten 305 mm guns and having a speed of 21 knots. While Vickers’s design appeared to be preferred, it was the Novoe sudostroenie design that would be selected as the winner. It featured a displacement of 20,700 tons, ten 305 mm guns in the requested layout, a 203 mm main belt, and a speed of 21 knots. However, funding for two battleships of the design was rejected.		The special committee then handed the matter back to Birilëv’s committee, along with two of the front running designs. One of them was one produced by the Novoe sudostroenie (New Shipbuilding), a design bureau headed by D.V. Skvortsov. The other was Design No. 260 by the British Vickers, at 21,800 tons, armed with ten 305 mm guns and having a speed of 21 knots. While Vickers’s design appeared to be preferred, it was the Novoe sudostroenie design that would be selected as the winner. It featured a displacement of 20,700 tons, ten 305 mm guns in the requested layout, a 203 mm main belt, and a speed of 21 knots. However, funding for two battleships of the design was rejected.
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	Despite this, work continued on the new battleships, and in April 1907, the newly formed Naval General Staff (MGSh) outlined the purpose and specifications of the future dreadnoughts. While their purpose was vague at best — they should operate as a squadron, engage "at various ranges" and should embody "the maximum development of all offensive and defensive facilities" — the specifications were very similar to those outlined by Birilëv’s committee. They should have 14-18 120 mm secondary guns, four broadside and one stern underwater torpedo tube, and a variety of increased armor and speed requirements. These characteristics were passed to the Naval Technical Committee, who developed technical requirements, and two designs were developed according to them. One was a 20,000 ton ship developed by Baltic Works, with all main battery guns at one level and the 120 mm battery in six small twin turrets. The other was a 19,900 ton design by the Novoe sudostroenie group (aka Skvortsov Design 1907), which had the B turret superfiring and a casemate secondary battery. In all other aspects, the designs were quite similar. However, neither design was immediately chosen due to the MGSh revising its requirements, which would change several times over the course of 1907. One of these revisions originated from false information that future German battleships would carry 16 305 mm guns, with 12 in triple turrets. Studies showed that triple turrets would increase salvo weight by 15%, compared to a same-numbered twin turret battery. As such, it was desired that the new battleships would mount triple turrets in a centerline layout, all on the same level. This also meant the battleships would need little superstructure. These were adopted in a December 1907 design competition, and the Skvortsov Design 1907 remained on paper.		Despite this, work continued on the new battleships, and in April 1907, the newly formed Naval General Staff (MGSh) outlined the purpose and specifications of the future dreadnoughts. While their purpose was vague at best — they should operate as a squadron, engage "at various ranges" and should embody "the maximum development of all offensive and defensive facilities" — the specifications were very similar to those outlined by Birilëv’s committee. They should have 14-18 120 mm secondary guns, four broadside and one stern underwater torpedo tube, and a variety of increased armor and speed requirements. These characteristics were passed to the Naval Technical Committee, who developed technical requirements, and two designs were developed according to them. One was a 20,000 ton ship developed by Baltic Works, with all main battery guns at one level and the 120 mm battery in six small twin turrets. The other was a 19,900 ton design by the Novoe sudostroenie group (aka Skvortsov Design 1907), which had the B turret superfiring and a casemate secondary battery. In all other aspects, the designs were quite similar. However, neither design was immediately chosen due to the MGSh revising its requirements, which would change several times over the course of 1907. One of these revisions originated from false information that future German battleships would carry 16 305 mm guns, with 12 in triple turrets. Studies showed that triple turrets would increase salvo weight by 15%, compared to a same-numbered twin turret battery. As such, it was desired that the new battleships would mount triple turrets in a centerline layout, all on the same level. This also meant the battleships would need little superstructure. These were adopted in a December 1907 design competition, and the Skvortsov Design 1907 remained on paper.

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 ''{{#var:ship_name}}'' equips the following consumables:
-* '''Slot 1:'''  {{Fast Damage Control Team}}
+* '''Slot 1:'''  {{Fast Damage Control Team}} &ndash; 4 charges
-* '''Slot 2:'''  {{Repair Party}}
+* '''Slot 2:'''  {{Repair Party}} &ndash; 3 charges
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-<h2>''{{#var:ship_name}}'', YEAR</h2>
+<h2>Skvortsov Design 1907, 1907</h2>
-===Construction===
-:Builder: Yard; City, Country
-:Laid down: DD MONTH YEAR
-:Launched: DD MONTH YEAR
-:Commissioned: DD MONTH YEAR
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 ===Specifications===
-:XX tons displacement, standard
+:19,900 tons displacement
-:XXm length
+:???m length
-:XXm beam
+:???m beam
-:XXm draft
+:???m draft
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 ====Machinery====
+:??? boilers, ??? shafts
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 ====Performance====
-:XX knots at XX shaft horsepower
+:??? knots at ??? horsepower
-:XX nm at XX knots
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 ====Armor====
-:Main belt:
+:Main belt: 203 mm
-:Upper belt:
+:Upper belt: 102 mm
-:Torpedo bulkhead:
+:Decks: ???
-:Decks:
+:Turrets: ??? mm faces, ??? mm roofs
-:Bulkheads:
+:Conning tower: ??? mm
-:Barbettes and Turrets:
 :Conning tower:
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 ====Armament====
 =====Main=====
+:Ten (5x2) 305 mm guns
 =====Secondary=====
+:14 (14x1) 120 mm guns
-=====Anti-aircraft=====
-?
-=====Torpedoes=====
-?
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-====Aircraft====
-=====Total=====
-?
-=====Fighters=====
-?
-===== Bombers=====
-?
 }}</div>
-===History===
+''{{#var:ship_name}}'' in World of Warships is based on a 19,900 ton battleship project from 1907 designed by D.V. Skvortsov, Chief Naval Architect of the St. Petersburg dockyard. It is sometimes referred to as "Skvortsov Design 1907", and was one of the first dreadnought designs for Russia.
-''Knyaz Suvorov'' (Russian: Князь Суворов) was a ''Borodino''-class pre-dreadnought battleship built for the Imperial Russian Navy in the first decade of the 20th century. Named after the 18th-century Russian general Prince (Knyaz) Alexander Suvorov, the ship was completed after the beginning of the Russo-Japanese War in 1904. She became the flagship of Vice Admiral Zinovy Rozhestvensky, commander of the Second Pacific Squadron that was sent to the Far East a few months after her completion to break the Japanese blockade of Port Arthur. The Japanese captured the port while the squadron was in transit and their destination was changed to Vladivostok. ''Knyaz Suvorov'' was sunk during the Battle of Tsushima on 27 May 1905. During the battle, the ship fell out of the main battle line after a shell hit her bridge, killing her helmsman and wounding her captain and Rozhestvensky. She was eventually torpedoed and sunk by Japanese torpedo boats; other than the 20 wounded officers evacuated by a destroyer there were no survivors.
-====Design====
-====Service====
+At the end of the Russo-Japanese War, the loss of almost all of Russia’s capital ships necessitated the construction of new ones. In April 1906, a committee was called by Naval Minister Birilëv to address a battleship construction program. In May 1906, the committee outlined recommendations for a new battleship, which would have turbine propulsion, a 254 mm belt, twelve 305 mm guns and twenty 120 mm guns. Requirements were then drawn up based on these specifications, and sent to several naval constructors. However, some of the designs they received came out to around 23,500 tons, enormous ships for the time. Therefore, the requirements were revised: The battleship should be between 19,000 and 20,000 tons, have a 203 mm belt over the citadel, and at least eight 305 mm guns, with a 22 knot speed and no torpedoes. Nine designs were submitted, but a newly formed special committee &mdash; now led by recently retired K.K. Ratnik of Baltic Works &mdash; decided to outline a new set of specifications. They mostly remained the same, but some new features were requested, such as a preferred arrangement of five twin main battery turrets, all on one level, with two centerline forward turrets, two more echeloned amidships, and one in the aft.
 ===Historical Inaccuracies===
-* ''Knyaz Suvorov'' is actually the name of a ''Borodino''-class pre-dreadnought that was sunk in the Battle of Tsushima in 1905.
+* ''Knyaz Suvorov'' is actually the name of a Borodino-class pre-dreadnought that was sunk in the Battle of Tsushima in 1905. The in-game ''{{#var:ship_name}}'' is named after this very ship. No warship in the Russian Navy has used the name since.
-* This ship is loosely based on the a Skvortsov M1907 Dreadnought design.
+* The original layout sported a relatively modern arrangement of the secondary guns in low-profile twin turrets, Wargaming instead opted to mount them as traditional casemates to the sides, significantly raising the middle deck superstructure and the main gun turrets there.
-* The original layout sported a relatively modern arrangement of the secondary guns in low-profile twin turrets, whereas Wargaming opted to instead mount them as traditional casemates to the sides thus significantly raising the middle deck superstructure and the main gun turrets there.
+* Hull A represents the ship as she would have been commissioned in 1913, assuming she was laid down in 1907-1908 with a secondary battery of fourteen 120 mm Model 1905 guns.
-* The ship is armed with an anti-aircraft suite roughly six times the expected guns for the time period.
+* Hull B represents a hypothetical World War I refit, with the 120 mm guns replaced by 130 mm guns manufactured by the Obukhov Plant, and an AA suite of eight 75 mm Canet guns.
 |HistoricalGallery=<!-- write below list of files with description (if necessary) separated with | --><gallery>
+File:1906 23,500 ton Design.jpeg|A 1906 23,500 ton design by Skvortsov, developed according to the initial Birilëv committee requirements.
 </gallery>

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-|Performance=<!-- write text about performance in battles below -->
+|Performance=
-<!--
+{{AA Sidebar Warning Insert}}
-PERFORMANCE SECTION GUIDELINES
-.  Write a brief intro paragraph of 1-3 sentences.
-.  Write 1-3 paragraphs of "meat".  Talk about what the ship does well, what it doesn't, how it compares to same tier ships of the same type, how it compares to the previous ship in the tech tree, whatever.  Try to avoid quoting vital statistics to players unless it is really relevant (i.e. concealment); they can see those in the sidebar on the right and don't need them read back.
-.  Write a brief summary paragraph of 1-3 sentences highlighting the key takeaways from the paragraphs above.
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 ''Knyaz Suvorov'' is a peculiar Tier III battleship that favors a brawler play style, but not in the traditional sense.
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 Be mindful of the limited number of uses of your damage control team.
-|Camouflage=<!-- write text about useful camouflage below -->
+|Camouflage={{TT Ship Camo Insert|shiptier=3}}
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-| Zulu =
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-| Equal Speed Charlie London =
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-| Hydra =
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?	~~[[Ship:Camouflage#Standard Camouflage\|Type 1, 2, or 5 camouflage]] can be equipped for credits; Types 2 or 5 are recommended at a minimum to reduce the accuracy of incoming shells.~~
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?	~~There is no standard permanent camouflage available for this ship.~~

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 **Sigma parameter decreased from 1.7 to 1.5.
 **Stock main battery firing range decreased from 13.3 to 11.48 km.
 **Traverse angles for the mid turrets changed. Now they can turn to fire towards the opposite side of the ship from their mounting.
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 *Introduced into the game as a researchable ship in Update 0.8.4.

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 **Dispersion formula changed:
 *** Horizontal and vertical dispersion depending on distance now changes more smoothly.  Inside of 12 km accuracy was slightly reduced.
 **Damage Control Party duration decreased to 10 s.
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 *Introduced into the game as a researchable ship in Update 0.8.4.

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 *<span class="plainlinks">[https://medium.com/@devblogwows/low-tier-ussr-bb-7d13efcf866e Jan 25, 2019]</span>:
 **Preliminary characteristics.
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 *Introduced into the game as a researchable ship in Update 0.8.4.

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 {{WoWS Ship Changelog Insert|1=
 *Available for testing by supertesters in the game starting from Update 0.8.1.
 *Introduced into the game as a researchable ship in Update 0.8.4.
 *Update 0.9.3: