Tank:G114 Rheinmetall Skorpian - Revision history

BadCorps:na at 05:41, 11 January 2024

2024-01-11T05:41:15Z

Gangfire:na: Changed the crew compatibility info to match the Skorpion.

2024-01-08T23:31:48Z

Changed the crew compatibility info to match the Skorpion.

PCG181M:eu: link added

2022-07-26T17:19:17Z

link added

Gangfire:na: Cleaned up an error on crew compatibility, fixed style problems, added Concealment advice.

2022-07-10T05:55:07Z

Cleaned up an error on crew compatibility, fixed style problems, added Concealment advice.

mongoose1040:na: Changed typo from "Skorpio G" to "Skorpion G"

2020-10-07T20:19:05Z

Changed typo from "Skorpio G" to "Skorpion G"

gbekker:sea at 23:09, 10 June 2020

2020-06-10T23:09:10Z

blacklupos:eu at 15:26, 3 March 2020

2020-03-03T15:26:50Z

AGENT279e:eu at 13:45, 26 March 2019

2019-03-26T13:45:05Z

Germanatorr:na: su130 link

2019-01-24T08:25:21Z

su130 link

pihip:eu at 08:37, 27 December 2018

2018-12-27T08:37:10Z

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 |HistAcc=
 * The official designation for the Skorpion was 12.8 cm Skorpion K/43 mit Panther Bauteilen. The K/43 here represents the planned gun. Unlike usual German gun terminology for tanks (e.g. KwK meaning tank gun, PaK meaning anti-tank gun), the K here stands for "Kanone", simply meaning "gun", which was the terminology used for artillery guns. Therefore, the Skorpion was going to be an SPG, and not a tank destroyer.
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 |InTheGame_performance=
+The Skorpion G plays most like a very bloated [[Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger]] with substantially better mobility and accuracy at the expense of inferior camouflage, gun handling, and DPM.  Thankfully the mobility, penetration, and alpha damage allow you to remain useful even in Tier IX and X battles.  As with every low armor tank, you should pay special attention to not getting hit, as most hits will result in damage.  Under the right circumstances you can even play the Skorpion G like a medium tank, but it is a fine line between success and failure.  Support your team by striking at distracted enemies and vehicles that are still reloading.  In some rare instances you can also trade shots, especially versus lower-tier mediums with 75mm guns.  Due to the horrible hidden dispersion values, snapshots won't connect most of the time.  It is really important to let the gun aim, especially since you will be stuck reloading for over 10 seconds.
 The Skorpion G plays most like a very bloated [[Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger]] with substantially better mobility and accuracy at the expense of inferior camouflage, gun handling, and DPM.  Thankfully the mobility, penetration, and alpha damage allow you to remain useful even in Tier IX and X battles.  As with every low armor tank, you should pay special attention to not getting hit, as most hits will result in damage.  Under the right circumstances you can even play the Skorpion like a medium tank, but it is a fine line between success and failure.  Support your team by striking at distracted enemies and vehicles that are still reloading.  In some rare instances you can also trade shots, especially versus lower-tier mediums with 75mm guns.  Due to the horrible dispersion values, snapshots won't connect most of the time.  It is really important to let the gun aim, especially since you will be stuck reloading for over 10 seconds.
 The 246mm of penetration on the AP rounds allows you to damage most tanks you will encounter reliably, which is especially important for a premium tank, since one typically uses them to earn credits.
 It is important to remember that unlike the [[Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger]], the Skorpion G has poor camouflage ratings and a very large silhouette (comparable to the [[Panther II]]). Situations in which the [[Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger]] could have remained hidden or simply slunk into the nearest ditch to avoid being hit are often certain death for the much larger Skorpion G.  With the right equipment (and skills) you could bring your stationary Concealment up to just over 36%, but other aspects of the tank would suffer as a result.
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 At the beginning of the battle you can decide to rush a key location or pick a TD spot.  Even if you are doing the latter, watch for gaps on the mini-map.  Once a gap presents itself exploit it and use your mobility to flank the enemy and put the pressure on.  Due to the mobility this tank is also nicely suited for cleanup late during a match, just make sure you don't overextend yourself and end up in a spot with no way out.
+The Skorpion G's crew setup -- Commander (Loader), Gunner, Driver, Radio Operator -- is only compatible with the Skorpion; every other German TD does not have a Commander who is also the vehicle's Loader.  Creating one dedicated Commander-Loader for this tank and its sister is recommended, the other three positions can be filled by any other German tank destroyer crew members you like, preferably those well trained in Concealment.
 |InTheGame_research=

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 |InTheGame_pros=
-*Second best alpha damage among Tier VIII premium vehicles (after the [https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Tank:R159_SU_130PM SU-130PM])
+*Second best alpha damage among Tier VIII premium vehicles (after the [[Tank:R159_SU_130PM|SU-130PM]])
 *Good accuracy and penetration
 *Good top speed and decent acceleration

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 |InTheGame_pros=
-*Second best alpha damage among Tier 8 premium vehicles (after the [https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Tank:R159_SU_130PM SU-130PM])
+*Second best alpha damage among Tier VIII premium vehicles (after the [https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Tank:R159_SU_130PM SU-130PM])
 *Good accuracy and penetration
 *Good top speed and decent acceleration
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 |InTheGame_cons=
-*Bad traverse speed and horrible ground resistance limit mobility
+*Bad traverse speed and horrible ground resistances limit mobility
 *Awful dispersion values when moving and traversing, can't snapshot
-*Large size, low healthpool and very thin armor
+*Large size, low health pool and very thin armor
 *Long aim time
 *Disastrously bad camouflage values for a tank destroyer, even when fully maxed out
-*Limited gun depression, the listed -7° can only be achieved on the sides
+*Limited gun depression, the listed 7° can only be achieved on the sides
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 |InTheGame_performance=
-The Skorpion G plays most like a very bloated [[Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger]] with substantially better mobility and accuracy at the expense of inferior camouflage, gun handling, and DPM. Thankfully, the mobility, penetration, and alpha damage allow you to remain useful even in tier 9 and 10 battles. As with every low armor tank, you should pay special attention to not getting hit, as most hits will result in damage. Under the right circumstances you can even play the  like a medium tank, but it is a fine line between success and failure. Support your team by striking at distracted enemies and vehicles that are still reloading. In some rare instances you can also trade shots, especially versus lower tier mediums with 75mm guns. Due to the horrible dispersion values, snapshots won't connect most of the time. It is really important to let the gun aim, especially since you will be stuck reloading for over 10 seconds.
+The Skorpion G plays most like a very bloated [[Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger]] with substantially better mobility and accuracy at the expense of inferior camouflage, gun handling, and DPM.  Thankfully the mobility, penetration, and alpha damage allow you to remain useful even in Tier IX and X battles.  As with every low armor tank, you should pay special attention to not getting hit, as most hits will result in damage.  Under the right circumstances you can even play the Skorpion like a medium tank, but it is a fine line between success and failure.  Support your team by striking at distracted enemies and vehicles that are still reloading.  In some rare instances you can also trade shots, especially versus lower-tier mediums with 75mm guns.  Due to the horrible dispersion values, snapshots won't connect most of the time.  It is really important to let the gun aim, especially since you will be stuck reloading for over 10 seconds.
-The 246mm of penetration on the AP rounds allows you to damage most tanks you will encounter reliably, which is especially important for a premium tank, since one typically uses them to earn credits. While it does have great credit earning potential, the same cannot be said for crew training - the crew layout of the Skorpion only matches that of the Tier 4 Marder 38T, and the Commander doubles as the Loader.
+The 246mm of penetration on the AP rounds allows you to damage most tanks you will encounter reliably, which is especially important for a premium tank, since one typically uses them to earn credits.
-It is important to remember that unlike the [[Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger]], the Skorpion G  has poor camouflage ratings and a very large silhouette (comparable to the [[Panther II]]). Situations in which the [[Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger]] could have remained hidden or simply slunk into the nearest ditch to avoid being hit are often certain death for the much larger Skorpion G. This can be partially mitigated with the use of a camouflage net, but you are still likely be spotted after your first shot unless there is substantial foliage cover between you and your target.
+While it does have great credit earning potential, the same cannot be said for crew training -- the crew layout of the Skorpion G only matches the Skorpion (non-G), and the Commander doubles as the Loader.  Most German TD's have a crew setup of Commander, Gunner, Driver, Loader; these crews can go in the Skorpion if you either pull a Radio Operator from another German TD or train up one dedicated to this tank.
-At the beginning of the battle you can decide to rush a key location or pick a TD spot. Even if you are doing the latter, watch for gaps on the mini-map. Once a gap presents itself, exploit it and use your mobility to flank the enemy and put the pressure on. Due to the mobility, this tank is also nicely suited for cleanup late during a match, just make sure you don't overextend yourself and end up in a spot with no way out.
+It is important to remember that unlike the [[Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger]], the Skorpion G has poor camouflage ratings and a very large silhouette (comparable to the [[Panther II]]). Situations in which the [[Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger]] could have remained hidden or simply slunk into the nearest ditch to avoid being hit are often certain death for the much larger Skorpion G.  With the right equipment (and skills) you could bring your stationary Concealment up to just over 36%, but other aspects of the tank would suffer as a result.

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 The 246mm of penetration on the AP rounds allows you to damage most tanks you will encounter reliably, which is especially important for a premium tank, since one typically uses them to earn credits. While it does have great credit earning potential, the same cannot be said for crew training - the crew layout of the Skorpion only matches that of the Tier 4 Marder 38T, and the Commander doubles as the Loader.
-It is important to remember that unlike the [[Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger]], the Skorpion G  has poor camouflage ratings and a very large silhouette (comparable to the [[Panther II]]). Situations in which the [[Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger]] could have remained hidden or simply slunk into the nearest ditch to avoid being hit are often certain death for the much larger Skorpio G. This can be partially mitigated with the use of a camouflage net, but you are still likely be spotted after your first shot unless there is substantial foliage cover between you and your target.
+It is important to remember that unlike the [[Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger]], the Skorpion G  has poor camouflage ratings and a very large silhouette (comparable to the [[Panther II]]). Situations in which the [[Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger]] could have remained hidden or simply slunk into the nearest ditch to avoid being hit are often certain death for the much larger Skorpion G. This can be partially mitigated with the use of a camouflage net, but you are still likely be spotted after your first shot unless there is substantial foliage cover between you and your target.
 At the beginning of the battle you can decide to rush a key location or pick a TD spot. Even if you are doing the latter, watch for gaps on the mini-map. Once a gap presents itself, exploit it and use your mobility to flank the enemy and put the pressure on. Due to the mobility, this tank is also nicely suited for cleanup late during a match, just make sure you don't overextend yourself and end up in a spot with no way out.

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 The 246mm of penetration on the AP rounds allows you to damage most tanks you will encounter reliably, which is especially important for a premium tank, since one typically uses them to earn credits. While it does have great credit earning potential, the same cannot be said for crew training - the crew layout of the Skorpion only matches that of the Tier 4 Marder 38T, and the Commander doubles as the Loader.
-It is important to remember that unlike the [[Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger]], the  has poor camouflage ratings and a very large silhouette (comparable to the [[Panther II]]). Situations in which the [[Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger]] could have remained hidden or simply slunk into the nearest ditch to avoid being hit are often certain death for the much larger . This can be partially mitigated with the use of a camouflage net, but you are still likely be spotted after your first shot unless there is substantial foliage cover between you and your target.
+It is important to remember that unlike the [[Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger]], the Skorpion G  has poor camouflage ratings and a very large silhouette (comparable to the [[Panther II]]). Situations in which the [[Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger]] could have remained hidden or simply slunk into the nearest ditch to avoid being hit are often certain death for the much larger . This can be partially mitigated with the use of a camouflage net, but you are still likely be spotted after your first shot unless there is substantial foliage cover between you and your target.
 At the beginning of the battle you can decide to rush a key location or pick a TD spot. Even if you are doing the latter, watch for gaps on the minimap. Once a gap presents itself, exploit it and use your mobility to flank the enemy and put the pressure on. Due to the mobility, this tank is also nicely suited for cleanup late during a match, just make sure you don't overextend yourself and end up in a spot with no way out.

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 |InTheGame_pros=
-*Second best alpha damage among Tier 8 premium vehicles (after [[SU-130PM]])
+*Second best alpha damage among Tier 8 premium vehicles (after the [https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Tank:R159_SU_130PM SU-130PM])
 *Good accuracy and penetration
 *Good top speed and decent acceleration
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 |InTheGame_performance=
-The  plays most like a very bloated [[Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger]] with substantially better mobility and accuracy at the expense of inferior camouflage, gun handling, and DPM. Thankfully, the mobility, penetration, and alpha damage allow you to remain useful even in tier 9 and 10 battles. As with every low armor tank, you should pay special attention to not getting hit, as most hits will result in damage. Under the right circumstances you can even play the  like a medium tank, but it is a fine line between success and failure. Support your team by striking at distracted enemies and vehicles that are still reloading. In some rare instances you can also trade shots, especially versus lower tier mediums with 75mm guns. Due to the horrible dispersion values, snapshots won't connect most of the time. It is really important to let the gun aim, especially since you will be stuck reloading for over 10 seconds.
+The Skorpion G plays most like a very bloated [[Rhm.-Borsig Waffenträger]] with substantially better mobility and accuracy at the expense of inferior camouflage, gun handling, and DPM. Thankfully, the mobility, penetration, and alpha damage allow you to remain useful even in tier 9 and 10 battles. As with every low armor tank, you should pay special attention to not getting hit, as most hits will result in damage. Under the right circumstances you can even play the  like a medium tank, but it is a fine line between success and failure. Support your team by striking at distracted enemies and vehicles that are still reloading. In some rare instances you can also trade shots, especially versus lower tier mediums with 75mm guns. Due to the horrible dispersion values, snapshots won't connect most of the time. It is really important to let the gun aim, especially since you will be stuck reloading for over 10 seconds.
 The 246mm of penetration on the AP rounds allows you to damage most tanks you will encounter reliably, which is especially important for a premium tank, since one typically uses them to earn credits. While it does have great credit earning potential, the same cannot be said for crew training - the crew layout of the Skorpion only matches that of the Tier 4 Marder 38T, and the Commander doubles as the Loader.
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 Like Krupp, Rheinmetall-Borsig also presented their first designs on the 1st of July, 1942. They were the 12.8 cm K 43 (Sfl.) Rheinmetall-Borsig (indexed Gerät 5-1213), and 15 cm sFH 43 (Sfl.) Rheinmetall-Borsig (indexed Gerät 5-1530). The vehicles were identical except for armament. Both had a 360-degree rotating turret and a hydraulic gun dismounting mechanism designed by Daimler-Benz, similar to that used on the Heuschrecke 10.
-On January 7th, 1943, Rheinmetall produced three more designs. In reality, these were the same vehicle, but with different armaments. The vehicles had centrally mounted, 360-degree rotating, dismountable turrets. The chassis was that of a Panther, extended to a wheelbase of 4,220mm. They were designated 15 cm sFH 43, 12.8 cm K 43 and 12.8 cm P 43. On or around the 24th of February, 1943, Rheinmetall’s entry for the Selbstfahrlafette für 12.8 cm K 43 und 15 cm sFH 43 Project was assigned the cover name “Skorpion”. This name probably covered the January 7th design, but since it is not known when Rheinmetall abandoned it, it cannot be said for certain.
+On January 7th, 1943, Rheinmetall produced three more designs. In reality, these were the same vehicle, but with different armaments. The vehicles had centrally mounted, 360-degree rotating, dismountable turrets. The chassis was that of a Panther, extended to a wheelbase of 4,220mm. They were designated 15 cm sFH 43, 12.8 cm K 43 and 12.8 cm P 43. On or around the 24th of February, 1943, Rheinmetall’s entry for the Selbstfahrlafette für 12.8 cm K 43 und 15 cm sFH 43 Project was assigned the cover name “Skorpion”. This
 Unwilling to stop perfecting the design, Rheinmetall continued to design more versions. On the 2nd of April 1943, they produced drawing H-SKA 81959 for the 12.8 cm Skorpion mit Panther Bauteilen; and on April 16th drawing H-SKA 82566 for 15 cm sFH 18 mit Panther Bauteilen. These designs had a Panther-based chassis with a wheelbase of 4,025mm. Around the 20th of October 1943, Wa.Prüf 4 canceled the Grille, Heuschrecke, and Skorpion projects.

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 |InTheGame_pros=
-*Excellent alpha damage, the highest among tier 8 premium vehicles
+*Second best alpha damage among Tier 8 premium vehicles (after [[SU-130PM]])
+*Good accuracy and penetration
-*Good penetration; APCR can penetrate even tier 10 super-heavies frontally, a trait unique to a tier 8 with a turret
+*Good top speed and decent acceleration
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-*Good top speed and decent acceleration allows for rapid relocation
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 *Has a fully traversable turret
+*Special camouflage provides a concealment bonus for free
-*Great accuracy with fairly decent DPM
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-*Its special camouflage provides an innate concealment bonus
 |InTheGame_cons=
-*Mobility is hampered by terrible terrain resistances and hull traverse
+*Bad traverse speed and horrible ground resistance limit mobility
+*Poor dispersion values when moving and traversing, can't snapshot
-*Horrible gun bloom with hull/turret traverse extends aiming time considerably. Can't snap shot
+*Large size, low healthpool and very thin armor
+*Disastrously bad camouflage values for a tank destroyer, even when fully maxed out
-*Extremely thin armor is easily penetrated by even HE shells
+*Limited gun depression, the listed -7° can only be achieved on the sides
-?
-*Sub-optimal shell velocity and gun depression, -7 achievable only at the sides
-?
-*Awful camouflage values, even with camo net and camo crew. Can get spotted from 400+ meters as soon as it fires.
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-*Very low view range at only 360 meters.
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-* Accuracy is not as good as it seems.