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Revision as of 04:11, 26 December 2018
Clarified note on German secondaries.
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 == HE penetration == == HE penetration ==
  
?Here are some common armor thicknesses and the minimum HE shell diameters needed to penetrate them, according to the [[Ship:Gunnery_%26_Armor_Penetration#HE_penetration|HE penetration formula]]. "Super" refers to the enhanced HE penetration of British battleship primary armament, German battleships (Primaries, 150mm and 128mm secondaries at all tiers and 105mm secondaries from tier IX), German cruisers (tiers IV-X primary armament and 150mm secondaries), and Japanese 100mm guns (Primaries and secondaries).+'''OLD INFORMATION AS PER UPDATE 0.9.2. NEW INFORMATION IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THE UPDATE IS QUITE COMPLEX, SOME TIME IS NEEDED TO PROCESS ALL CHANGES. ''' See [https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/game-updates/update-092-european-destroyers/#ifhe-changes Changes to the Inertia Fuse for HE Shells Skill].
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 +Here are some common armor thicknesses and the minimum HE shell diameters needed to penetrate them, according to the [[Ship:Armor_Penetration#HE_penetration|HE penetration formula]]. "Super" refers to the 1/4 HE penetration coefficient.
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 +''Note: Tier VIII-X cruisers with gun caliber 152-155 mm have an 1/5 HE penetration coefficient.''
 + 
 +'''Note that as per update 0.9.2 IFHE now halves the BASE fire chance of shells. For ships which rely on fire damage IFHE thus can be a poor choice even if significant armor thresholds are passed.'''
 +The formula for fire chance can be found in [[Ship:Fire|Fires]].
  
 === By armor thickness === === By armor thickness ===
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 ! rowspan = "2" | Armor thickness !! rowspan = "2" | Occurrences<br/>(non-exhaustive)  ! rowspan = "2" | Armor thickness !! rowspan = "2" | Occurrences<br/>(non-exhaustive)
 ! colspan = "4" | HE shell diameter<br/>needed to penetrate  ! colspan = "4" | HE shell diameter<br/>needed to penetrate
?! rowspan = "2" | Beneficiaries<br/>(non-exhaustive)+! rowspan = "2" | Beneficiaries (without IFHE)<br/>(non-exhaustive)
 +! rowspan = "2" | Beneficiaries (with IFHE)<br/>(non-exhaustive)
 |- |-
 ! Standard !! IFHE !! Super !! Super IFHE ! Standard !! IFHE !! Super !! Super IFHE
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 | 99 mm || 76 mm || 67 mm || 51 mm | 99 mm || 76 mm || 67 mm || 51 mm
 |  |
 +|
 |- |-
 | 19 mm || Tier 4-5 battleship bow/stern<br/>Tier 8-10 battleship superstructure<br/>Tier 8-10 destroyer plating  | 19 mm || Tier 4-5 battleship bow/stern<br/>Tier 8-10 battleship superstructure<br/>Tier 8-10 destroyer plating
 | 117 mm || 88 mm || 79 mm || 59 mm | 117 mm || 88 mm || 79 mm || 59 mm
 +| German 100mm guns and secondaries
 | Some destroyers (102 mm - 114 mm) | Some destroyers (102 mm - 114 mm)
 |- |-
 | 25 mm || Tier 6-7 battleship bow/stern<br/>Some tier 8-10 cruiser bow/stern  | 25 mm || Tier 6-7 battleship bow/stern<br/>Some tier 8-10 cruiser bow/stern
 | 153 mm || 118 mm || 103 mm || 79 mm | 153 mm || 118 mm || 103 mm || 79 mm
?| Many light cruisers (152 mm)<br/>Most destroyers (120 mm - 150 mm, 100 mm super)+| Heavy cruisers (203mm) <br/> Light cruisers (155mm)
 +| Light cruisers (150mm or 152mm)<br/>Most destroyers (120 mm - 150 mm, 100 mm super)
 |- |-
 | 27 mm || Some tier 8-10 cruiser bow/stern  | 27 mm || Some tier 8-10 cruiser bow/stern
 | 165 mm || 124 mm || 111 mm || 83 mm | 165 mm || 124 mm || 111 mm || 83 mm
 +| Heavy cruisers (203mm)<br/>Donskoi and Molotov (180mm)
 | Most light cruisers (152 mm, 155 mm)<br/>Most destroyers (127 mm - 150 mm, 100 mm super) | Most light cruisers (152 mm, 155 mm)<br/>Most destroyers (127 mm - 150 mm, 100 mm super)
 |- |-
 | 30 mm || Some tier 8-10 cruiser plating | 30 mm || Some tier 8-10 cruiser plating
 | 183 mm || 142 mm || 123 mm || 95 mm | 183 mm || 142 mm || 123 mm || 95 mm
?| Most light cruisers (152 mm, 155 mm, 180 mm)<br/>Some Japanese destroyers/secondaries (100 mm super)+| Heavy cruisers (203mm)
 +| Most light cruisers (152 mm, 155 mm, 180 mm)<br/>Donskoi and Molotov (180mm)<br/>Some Japanese destroyers/secondaries (100 mm super)
 |- |-
 | 32 mm || Tier 8-10 battleship bow/stern  | 32 mm || Tier 8-10 battleship bow/stern
 | 195 mm || 148 mm || 131 mm || 99 mm | 195 mm || 148 mm || 131 mm || 99 mm
?| Most light cruisers (152 mm, 155 mm, 180 mm)<br/>Some Japanese destroyers/secondaries (100 mm super)+| Heavy cruisers (203mm)
 +| Most light cruisers (152 mm, 155 mm, 180 mm)<br/>Donskoi and Molotov (180mm)<br/>Some Japanese destroyers/secondaries (100 mm super)
 +|-
 +| 38 mm || Tier 8-10 USN battleship decks
 +| 228 mm || 183 mm || 152 mm || 122 mm
 +| Henri IV (240mm) <br/> Goliath (234mm)<br/>Superheavy cruisers (305mm)<br/>All german cruisers
 +| All non-German 203 mm ships. But it's arguably NOT worth it, since you lose a lot fire chance just to penetrate this category of armor.
 |- |-
 | 50 mm || ''[[Khabarovsk]]'' belt<br/>''[[Moskva]]'' plating<br/>''[[Großer Kurfürst]]'' deck  | 50 mm || ''[[Khabarovsk]]'' belt<br/>''[[Moskva]]'' plating<br/>''[[Großer Kurfürst]]'' deck
?| 303 mm || 232 mm || 203 mm || 155 mm+| 303 mm || 232 mm || 202 mm || 155 mm
 +| German 203mm (Hindenburg, Roon, Hipper, Yorck)<br/>Superheavy cruisers (305 mm)
 | ''Henri IV'' (240 mm) | ''Henri IV'' (240 mm)
 +|-
 +|-
 +| 60 mm || ''[[Kremlin]]'' deck<br/>[[Ship:Sovetsky_Soyuz|''Sovetsky Soyuz'']] deck
 +| 353 mm || 279 mm || 244 mm || 186 mm
 +|
 +| German 203mm (Hindenburg, Roon, Hipper, Yorck)<br/>Superheavy cruisers (305 mm)
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 | 27 mm || 387 mm | 27 mm || 387 mm
 | Some tier 8-10 cruiser bow/stern  | Some tier 8-10 cruiser bow/stern
?| Will bounce up to 15-inch shells (380 mm) if sufficiently angled.+| Will bounce up to 15-inch shells (381 mm) if sufficiently angled.
 |- |-
 | 30 mm || 430 mm | 30 mm || 430 mm
 | Some tier 8-10 cruiser plating | Some tier 8-10 cruiser plating
?| At current only ''[[Republique]]'' (431mm), ''[[Conqueror]]'' with larger-caliber option (457 mm), ''[[Musashi]]'' and ''[[Yamato]]'' (460 mm) can overmatch.+| At current only ''[[Thunderer]]'' (457 mm), ''[[Georgia]]'' (457 mm), ''[[Ohio]]'' (457 mm), ''[[Kremlin]]'' (457 mm), ''[[Musashi]]'' (460 mm), ''[[République]]'' (431 mm), ''[[Yamato]]'' (460 mm), and ''[[Shikishima]]'' (510 mm) can overmatch.
 |- |-
 | 32 mm || 458 mm | 32 mm || 458 mm
 | Tier 8-10 battleship bow/stern  | Tier 8-10 battleship bow/stern
?| At current only ''Yamato'' and ''Musashi'' (both 460 mm) can overmatch.+| At current only ''[[Musashi]]'', ''[[Yamato]]'' (both 460 mm), and ''[[Shikishima]]'' (510 mm) can overmatch.
 |} |}
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Latest revision as of 15:42, 21 July 2020

HE penetration

OLD INFORMATION AS PER UPDATE 0.9.2. NEW INFORMATION IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THE UPDATE IS QUITE COMPLEX, SOME TIME IS NEEDED TO PROCESS ALL CHANGES. See Changes to the Inertia Fuse for HE Shells Skill.

Here are some common armor thicknesses and the minimum HE shell diameters needed to penetrate them, according to the HE penetration formula. "Super" refers to the 1/4 HE penetration coefficient.

Note: Tier VIII-X cruisers with gun caliber 152-155 mm have an 1/5 HE penetration coefficient.

Note that as per update 0.9.2 IFHE now halves the BASE fire chance of shells. For ships which rely on fire damage IFHE thus can be a poor choice even if significant armor thresholds are passed. The formula for fire chance can be found in Fires.

By armor thickness

Armor thickness Occurrences
(non-exhaustive)
HE shell diameter
needed to penetrate
Beneficiaries (without IFHE)
(non-exhaustive)
Beneficiaries (with IFHE)
(non-exhaustive)
Standard IFHE Super Super IFHE
16 mm Tier 3 battleship bow/stern
Tier 6-7 battleship superstructure
Most tier 6-7 cruiser bow/stern
99 mm 76 mm 67 mm 51 mm
19 mm Tier 4-5 battleship bow/stern
Tier 8-10 battleship superstructure
Tier 8-10 destroyer plating
117 mm 88 mm 79 mm 59 mm German 100mm guns and secondaries Some destroyers (102 mm - 114 mm)
25 mm Tier 6-7 battleship bow/stern
Some tier 8-10 cruiser bow/stern
153 mm 118 mm 103 mm 79 mm Heavy cruisers (203mm)
Light cruisers (155mm)
Light cruisers (150mm or 152mm)
Most destroyers (120 mm - 150 mm, 100 mm super)
27 mm Some tier 8-10 cruiser bow/stern 165 mm 124 mm 111 mm 83 mm Heavy cruisers (203mm)
Donskoi and Molotov (180mm)
Most light cruisers (152 mm, 155 mm)
Most destroyers (127 mm - 150 mm, 100 mm super)
30 mm Some tier 8-10 cruiser plating 183 mm 142 mm 123 mm 95 mm Heavy cruisers (203mm) Most light cruisers (152 mm, 155 mm, 180 mm)
Donskoi and Molotov (180mm)
Some Japanese destroyers/secondaries (100 mm super)
32 mm Tier 8-10 battleship bow/stern 195 mm 148 mm 131 mm 99 mm Heavy cruisers (203mm) Most light cruisers (152 mm, 155 mm, 180 mm)
Donskoi and Molotov (180mm)
Some Japanese destroyers/secondaries (100 mm super)
38 mm Tier 8-10 USN battleship decks 228 mm 183 mm 152 mm 122 mm Henri IV (240mm)
Goliath (234mm)
Superheavy cruisers (305mm)
All german cruisers
All non-German 203 mm ships. But it's arguably NOT worth it, since you lose a lot fire chance just to penetrate this category of armor.
50 mm Khabarovsk belt
Moskva plating
Großer Kurfürst deck
303 mm 232 mm 202 mm 155 mm German 203mm (Hindenburg, Roon, Hipper, Yorck)
Superheavy cruisers (305 mm)
Henri IV (240 mm)
60 mm Kremlin deck
Sovetsky Soyuz deck
353 mm 279 mm 244 mm 186 mm German 203mm (Hindenburg, Roon, Hipper, Yorck)
Superheavy cruisers (305 mm)

By HE diameter

HE shell Occurrences
(non-exhaustive)
Maximum armor thickness penetrated IFHE beneficial against
(non-exhaustive)
Without IFHE With IFHE
152 mm
100 mm super
Most light cruisers
Some Japanese destroyers/secondaries
24 mm 32 mm Tier 8-10 battleship bow/stern
419-420 mm super Conqueror, Friedrich der Große, Großer Kurfürst, Lion 104 mm 136 mm Citadels: Cleveland, Edinburgh, Fiji, Helena, New Orleans, Worcester

Notes

  • As can be seen, 152 mm and 155 mm normal HE, primarily found on light cruisers; and 100 mm super HE, found on Japanese gunboat destroyers, are by far the biggest beneficiaries.
  • Henri IV is a niche use, but considered in some scenarios.
  • Secondary weapons can also benefit from IFHE, particularly German secondaries that follow the 1/4 penetration rule (All 150mm and 128mm German secondaries and the 105mm German secondaries of Friedrich Der Große). For instance, the 128mm secondary guns of Großer Kurfürst and Gneisenau can penetrate 30mm of armor without IFHE, and 32mm with.
  • Some other ships gain some benefit, but this is not generally considered worth the cost in skill points.

AP overmatch

An AP shell whose diameter is greater than 14.3 times the thickness of an armor plate will overmatch and pass through it regardless of angle. Here are some thresholds where this occurs, which determines whether it is feasible to "bow-tank" a particular AP shell.

Armor thickness AP shell diameter
needed to overmatch
Occurrences
(non-exhaustive)
Notes
10 mm 144 mm Tier 4-5 cruiser superstructure
Tier 4-5 destroyer plating
Will bounce most destroyer shells if sufficiently angled, but not most light cruiser shells.
13 mm 186 mm Tier 4-5 battleship superstructure
Most tier 6-7 cruiser superstructure
Will bounce light cruiser shells if sufficiently angled but not heavy cruiser shells (203 mm).
16 mm 229 mm Tier 3 battleship bow/stern
Tier 6-7 battleship superstructure
Most tier 6-7 cruiser bow/stern
Tier 6-7 destroyer plating
Will bounce almost all cruiser shells if sufficiently angled.
Notable: Can bounce Moskva (220 mm) but not Henri IV (240 mm), Graf Spee or Scharnhorst (283 mm).
19 mm 272 mm Tier 4-5 battleship bow/stern
Tier 8-10 battleship superstructure
Tier 8-10 destroyer plating
Will bounce up to 10-inch shells (254 mm) if sufficiently angled.
Notable: Can bounce Henri IV (240 mm), but not Graf Spee, Scharnhorst (283 mm), Kronshtadt (305 mm).
25 mm 358 mm Tier 6-7 battleship bow/stern
Some tier 8-10 cruiser bow/stern
Will bounce up to 14-inch shells (356 mm) if sufficiently angled.
27 mm 387 mm Some tier 8-10 cruiser bow/stern Will bounce up to 15-inch shells (381 mm) if sufficiently angled.
30 mm 430 mm Some tier 8-10 cruiser plating At current only Thunderer (457 mm), Georgia (457 mm), Ohio (457 mm), Kremlin (457 mm), Musashi (460 mm), République (431 mm), Yamato (460 mm), and Shikishima (510 mm) can overmatch.
32 mm 458 mm Tier 8-10 battleship bow/stern At current only Musashi, Yamato (both 460 mm), and Shikishima (510 mm) can overmatch.
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