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 In September 1939, only shortly after the first two ships of the 1939 "Battleship H" (H-39) design was laid down, work was suspended due to the start of the war. However, the Kriegsmarine continued to develop plans and design studies for new battleships. For instance, in early July 1940, Hitler ordered the navy to examine new battleship designs and how wartime experience might be incorporated. A study from this order was completed on 15 July, and contained several recommendations for the H-class ships, including increasing the freeboard and strengthening the horizontal protection. In order to maintain displacement and speed and accommodate the increased weight of the additional armor protection, the design staff drew up an informal design, known as "Scheme A." The design removed one of the main battery turrets to save weight; the propulsion system was also increased in power to keep the same speed as the original design. The original diesel-only system was replaced by a hybrid diesel and steam turbine arrangement. The staff also prepared a second design, "Scheme B", which retained the fourth turret and accepted a much higher displacement. This design also incorporated the mixed propulsion system. These studies were abandoned in 1941 after Hitler decided to halt further battleship construction until after the end of the war. The design staff therefore attempted to improve the armor protection for the H-class. The 1940 designs did not form part of the design chain that resulted in the H-41 through H-44 designs. In September 1939, only shortly after the first two ships of the 1939 "Battleship H" (H-39) design was laid down, work was suspended due to the start of the war. However, the Kriegsmarine continued to develop plans and design studies for new battleships. For instance, in early July 1940, Hitler ordered the navy to examine new battleship designs and how wartime experience might be incorporated. A study from this order was completed on 15 July, and contained several recommendations for the H-class ships, including increasing the freeboard and strengthening the horizontal protection. In order to maintain displacement and speed and accommodate the increased weight of the additional armor protection, the design staff drew up an informal design, known as "Scheme A." The design removed one of the main battery turrets to save weight; the propulsion system was also increased in power to keep the same speed as the original design. The original diesel-only system was replaced by a hybrid diesel and steam turbine arrangement. The staff also prepared a second design, "Scheme B", which retained the fourth turret and accepted a much higher displacement. This design also incorporated the mixed propulsion system. These studies were abandoned in 1941 after Hitler decided to halt further battleship construction until after the end of the war. The design staff therefore attempted to improve the armor protection for the H-class. The 1940 designs did not form part of the design chain that resulted in the H-41 through H-44 designs.
  
?====1941 "Battleship H" Design====+====1941 "Battleship H" (H-41) Design====
 Bomb damage sustained by ''[[Scharnhorst]]'' in July 1941 provided the impetus for the effort to increase the horizontal protection for the H-class. The designers were confronted with a significant problem: any increase in armor could correspondingly increase the displacement and more importantly, the draft. It was necessary to maintain the full-load draft of 11.5 m of the H-39 design for operations in the relatively shallow North Sea. The only option that allowed the displacement to be maintained while armor thicknesses to be increased was to reduce the ships' fuel supplies. A 25 percent cut in range was required, which was deemed unacceptable by the German Naval High Command (''Oberkommando der Marine'', or OKM). It was eventually determined that since deep-water anchorages on the Atlantic coast were available, it would be permissible to allow the draft to increase. The initial redesign called for an increase of only 5,000 long tons (5,100 t), 40 percent of which was additional deck armor, the remainder being used for a larger-caliber main battery. Bomb damage sustained by ''[[Scharnhorst]]'' in July 1941 provided the impetus for the effort to increase the horizontal protection for the H-class. The designers were confronted with a significant problem: any increase in armor could correspondingly increase the displacement and more importantly, the draft. It was necessary to maintain the full-load draft of 11.5 m of the H-39 design for operations in the relatively shallow North Sea. The only option that allowed the displacement to be maintained while armor thicknesses to be increased was to reduce the ships' fuel supplies. A 25 percent cut in range was required, which was deemed unacceptable by the German Naval High Command (''Oberkommando der Marine'', or OKM). It was eventually determined that since deep-water anchorages on the Atlantic coast were available, it would be permissible to allow the draft to increase. The initial redesign called for an increase of only 5,000 long tons (5,100 t), 40 percent of which was additional deck armor, the remainder being used for a larger-caliber main battery.
  
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 The finalized design was approved by Admiral Raeder on 15 November 1941. The new design measured 282 m (925 ft) long at the waterline, had a beam of 39 m (128 ft), and a draft of up to 12.2 m (40 ft) at full load. The increase in weight, while engine power remained constant, reduced speed to 28.8 kn (53.3 km/h; 33.1 mph). The OKM planned to begin construction six to nine months after demobilization, initially at Blohm & Voss and the Deutsche Werke shipyard in Kiel. Deschimag, which had been awarded the contract for "J", could no longer be used due to the increase in draft, which precluded travel through the shallow Weser. Following the completion of a new, larger dock at the Kriegsmarinewerft in Wilhelmshaven, work would also be done there. The increased size of the ships would have lengthened the building time from four to five years. The finalized design was approved by Admiral Raeder on 15 November 1941. The new design measured 282 m (925 ft) long at the waterline, had a beam of 39 m (128 ft), and a draft of up to 12.2 m (40 ft) at full load. The increase in weight, while engine power remained constant, reduced speed to 28.8 kn (53.3 km/h; 33.1 mph). The OKM planned to begin construction six to nine months after demobilization, initially at Blohm & Voss and the Deutsche Werke shipyard in Kiel. Deschimag, which had been awarded the contract for "J", could no longer be used due to the increase in draft, which precluded travel through the shallow Weser. Following the completion of a new, larger dock at the Kriegsmarinewerft in Wilhelmshaven, work would also be done there. The increased size of the ships would have lengthened the building time from four to five years.
  
?====Further Design Studies====+====Further Design Studies (H-42 to H-44)====
 On 8 February 1942, Albert Speer became the Reichsminister for Armaments and Munitions and gained influence over the Navy's construction programs. Speer reassigned some members of the H class design staff to work on new U-boats and other tasks deemed critical to the war effort. The Schiffsneubaukommission (New Ships Construction Commission), intended to liaise with Speer and the OKM, was created and placed under the direction of Admiral Karl Topp. This group was responsible for the design work that resulted in the H-42 type, as well as the subsequent designs. The Construction Office of the OKM formally concluded their work on new battleships with the H-41 type and played no further role in battleship development. The Commission did not discuss its activities with Raeder or his successor, Admiral Karl Dönitz, or with other branches in the OKM. As the designs for the H-42, H-43, and H-44 battleships were purely conjectural, no actual work was begun. The German navy did not seriously consider construction on any of the designs, which were so large that they could not have been built in a traditional slipway. Indeed, the Construction Office of the OKM sought to disassociate itself from the projects, which they found to be of doubtful merit and unnecessary for German victory. On 8 February 1942, Albert Speer became the Reichsminister for Armaments and Munitions and gained influence over the Navy's construction programs. Speer reassigned some members of the H class design staff to work on new U-boats and other tasks deemed critical to the war effort. The Schiffsneubaukommission (New Ships Construction Commission), intended to liaise with Speer and the OKM, was created and placed under the direction of Admiral Karl Topp. This group was responsible for the design work that resulted in the H-42 type, as well as the subsequent designs. The Construction Office of the OKM formally concluded their work on new battleships with the H-41 type and played no further role in battleship development. The Commission did not discuss its activities with Raeder or his successor, Admiral Karl Dönitz, or with other branches in the OKM. As the designs for the H-42, H-43, and H-44 battleships were purely conjectural, no actual work was begun. The German navy did not seriously consider construction on any of the designs, which were so large that they could not have been built in a traditional slipway. Indeed, the Construction Office of the OKM sought to disassociate itself from the projects, which they found to be of doubtful merit and unnecessary for German victory.
  

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Grosser Kurfürst
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Battleship | Germany | Tier X
Tech Tree Position
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General
Purchase priceSpecial Doubloons
Hit Points105,800 
Main Battery
406 mm/52 Drh C/34 on a Drh LC/34 mount4 х 3 pcs.
Rate of Fire2.07 shots/min.
Reload Time29 sec.
Rotation Speed4.5 deg./sec.
180 Degree Turn Time40 sec.
Firing Range20.61 km.
Maximum Dispersion266 m.
HE Shell406 mm Spr.Gr. L/4.4 Kz. 
Maximum HE Shell Damage4,800 
Chance of Fire on Target Caused by HE Shell38 %
Initial HE Shell Velocity810 m./s.
HE Shell Weight1030 kg.
AP Shell406 mm P.Spr.Gr. L/4.4 
Maximum AP Shell Damage12,700 
Initial AP Shell Velocity810 m./s.
AP Shell Weight1030 kg.
Secondary Armament #1
128 mm/61 KM40 in a turret10 х 2 pcs.
Firing Range8.3 km.
Rate of Fire15 shots/min.
Reload Timesec.
HE Shell128 mm Spr.Gr. Kz. 
Maximum HE Shell Damage1,500 
Initial HE Shell Velocity900 m./s.
Chance of Fire on Target Caused by HE Shell%
Secondary Armament #2
150 mm/55 SK C/28 on a Dop. L. C/34 mount4 х 2 pcs.
Firing Range8.3 km.
Rate of Fireshots/min.
Reload Time7.5 sec.
HE Shell150 mm Spr.Gr. L/4.5 
Maximum HE Shell Damage1,700 
Initial HE Shell Velocity875 m./s.
Chance of Fire on Target Caused by HE Shell%
AA Defense
128 mm/61 KM40 in a turret10 х 2 pcs.
. . . Average Damage per Second124 
. . . Firing Range5.19 km.
20 mm/65 C/38 on a Flak 35 Vierling L/38 mount4 х 4 pcs.
. . . Average Damage per Second24 
. . . Firing Range2.01 km.
55 mm/77 Gerät 58 on a twin mount8 х 2 pcs.
. . . Average Damage per Second195.2 
. . . Firing Range3.99 km.
20 mm/65 C/38 on a Flak 35 Vierling L/38 mount6 х 4 pcs.
. . . Average Damage per Second38.4 
. . . Firing Range2.01 km.
Maneuverability
Maximum Speed30 knot
Turning Circle Radius1 050 m.
Rudder Shift Time19.4 sec.
Concealment
Surface Detectability Range17.63 km.
Air Detectability Range14.93 km.
Battle Levels
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Special

Grosser Kurfürst — German special premium Tier X battleship.

The experience gained from battleships at the beginning of World War II prompted a revision of the ships under construction. It was necessary to improve the horizontal armor while maintaining the draft at 11.5 m for operations in the shallow waters of the North Sea. The new design incorporated a triple bottom and an increased quantity of watertight compartments to enhance protection against underwater explosions. The main armament was upgraded to feature twelve 420 mm guns. It was planned to lay down ships with the new design in 1942, but the construction needs of the Navy reoriented toward submarines, and new battleships were no longer laid down.

Modules

Main Battery Guns Rate of Fire
(shots/min)
180° Turn Time
(sec)
Maximum Dispersion
(m)
Maximum HE Shell Damage
(HP)
Chance of Fire on Target Caused by HE Shell
(%)
Maximum AP Shell Damage
(HP)
Research price
(exp)
Purchase price
(Credits)
406 mm/52 Drh C/34 on a Drh LC/34 mount2.1402664,8003812,700 02,000,000
420 mm/48 SK C/40 on a Drh LC/34 mount1.9402665,0004113,500 35,0002,500,000
Hull Hit Points
(HP)
Armor
(mm)
Armor
(mm)
Main Turrets
(pcs.)
Secondary Gun Turrets
(pcs.)
AA Mounts
(pcs.)
Torpedo Tubes
(pcs.)
Hangar Capacity
(pcs.)
Research price
(exp)
Purchase price
(Credits)
Großer Kurfürst105,80019400410/410/8/10 03,500,000
Fire Control System IDS_SHIP_PARAM_SUO_INCREASE_DIST
(%)
Maximum Firing Range
(km)
Research price
(exp)
Purchase price
(Credits)
FKS Typ 10 Mod. 10 02,000,000
Engine Maximum Speed
(knot)
Research price
(exp)
Purchase price
(Credits)
Propulsion: 167,600 hp30 01,500,000

Compatible Upgrades

 Slot 1 
Main Armaments Modification 1
Auxiliary Armaments Modification 1
Magazine Modification 1
Spotting Aircraft Modification 1
Damage Control Party Modification 1
 Slot 2 
Damage Control System Modification 1
Hydroacoustic Search Modification 1
Engine Room Protection
 Slot 3 
Main Battery Modification 2
Secondary Battery Modification 1
AA Guns Modification 1
Aiming Systems Modification 1
 Slot 4 
Damage Control System Modification 2
Propulsion Modification 1
Steering Gears Modification 1
Airstrike Modification 1
 Slot 5 
Torpedo Lookout System
Concealment System Modification 1
Ship Consumables Modification 1
 Slot 6 
Main Battery Modification 3
Gun Fire Control System Modification 2
Improved Ammunition Hoists
Auxiliary Armaments Modification 2

Player Opinion

Performance

Sharing the name with one of the Kaiser's sister ships, Großer Kurfürst (translation: Great Elector from the title of Frederick William, Elector of Brandenburg as he was called "The Great Elector") is the newcomer to the tier X battleship scene. Shortened to "GK" or simply the "Kurfurst", she will live up to her name as "the great elector" as she breaks the long standing stalemate of Yamato and Montana by simply entering into the fray. Subtlety is not this battleship's forte because she is detected from quite a fair distance, the furthest of all 3 of the Tier X battleships.

Due to her size she possesses an effective array of secondaries along with two pairs of guns -- the same caliber as her predecessor Friedriche der Große -- but with triple mounts with the same AB-XY configuration. Even Montana, who shares the same triple mount turret style and layout, will respect her for her heavy broadside, while the responsive turret traverse (already the best Battleship traverse at Tier X) can be made even faster with upgrades. Even more she can surpass the US battleship through barrel diameter (but still only doing the same 13500 dmg as the Montana and Iowa) with her last gun upgrade being 420mm barrels still mounted in four triple turrets while still retaining the excellent traverse speed. In addition her bustling secondary batteries ensure that any enemy getting close enough for the guns to unload will be constantly whittled down, dealing heavy damage over time or outright destroying low health ships that get too close.

Her AA is fairly typical of other German battleships, with an adequate long range punch that sadly does not follow through as planes come closer to the ship herself. Planes that make it past the long range armament will have no trouble hitting her due to her large size and abysmal turning circle. Her armor is also typical of German Battleship design, with a turtleback armor scheme that will make citadeling her at close range near impossible. Her deck armor is also quite substantial at 50mm along the center meaning that long range plunging fire from low caliber guns will have difficulty penetrating her. With her large hit point pool (the most in the game at 105k) she will be able to weather a large amount of armor piercing rounds and keep on fighting. As per standard for German battleships starting from Bismarck, the Kurfurst is equipped with the hydroacoustic search radar to help detect incoming threats such as torpedoes and destroyers attempting to get close or vessels hiding in smoke screens.

However, despite her impressive offensive and defensive assets, much of it is a double edged sword, helping and harming depending on the situation. Both of her guns are rather inaccurate at long range, becoming deadly only once they pass the mid range for Battleships of ~11km. Her 406mm guns have a better reload rate than those found on the Montana (28 seconds compared to 30 seconds), but lack the Montana's superheavy AP shells which hampers her penetration at range while also lowering her damage (12700 compared to 13500). Her 420mm guns are not large enough to overmatch the 32mm bow armor most battleships have at Tier X (unlike the Yamato), and while you will finally be able to match the Montana's damage per shot they increase her reload time to 32 seconds per salvo. Additionally her armor is not unbreakable as it may seem. At long ranges her deck armor is still not sufficient to stop plunging fire from other battleships from penetrating, meaning her citadel is relatively easy to penetrate at a considerable distance. Also the armor belt is actually the thinnest overall, topping at 380mm compared to the Montana's 409mm and the Yamato's 410mm. While she will almost never take citadel damage her massive size and weak armor belt means she will take higher-than-average normal ap damage to compensate; the trade off is that unlike the Yamato and Montana the Großer Kurfürst can heal back 50% of the damage she takes from exposing too much broadside compared to the 10% of damage healed for the other battleships when they take citadel damage; at close range the trade off is well worth it when the Großer Kurfürst takes a 10k-30k salvo while other battleships are destroyed in a single salvo into their citadels.

Finally, her size also betrays her as she is remarkably easy to hit and has THE largest turn radius out of all the tier X battleships at over a kilometer. While her rudder shift time is lower than either Montana or Yamato she is so long that she takes a while to actually begin responding to turns. Even with the Hydro Acoustic Search, expect to sustain heavy damage when torpedoes are inevitably being sent at her if she is not already responding. Fire and flooding are also a concern, since they deal damage based on a percentage of maximum hit points, causing her massive health pool to work against her when volley's of HE start fires and torpedoes cause flooding.

When you go out in the Kurfurst, expect to sustain a load of heavy damage from all sources as you are large and easily visible from range, because you can do the same to the enemy fleet if allowed to close the distance. Play to her strengths: she is not a sniping battleship, and belongs up close and personal where her peers have difficulty countering her armor scheme, large secondary battery, the rapid traverse of her guns.


Pros:

  • Like the Montana she possesses a heavy broadside than is capable of destroying ships in one volley
  • Fast at 30 knots
  • Extremely good turret traverse of 40 seconds before captain skills or upgrades
  • Very large secondary battery with range starting at 7.5km
  • Bow is heavily sloped, only a lucky Yamato shell can penetrate it
  • Unrivaled health pool
  • Has the German Hydroacoustic search
  • Extremely durable; can endure severe damage to either close the gap or to get away to heal
  • Ergonomics is similar to dreadnoughts; the closer she gets, the more dangerous she becomes
  • Citadel is turtlebacked and is also located under the waterline, making it extremely hard to hit at close range
  • Decent anti-aircraft suite that can kill anything below tier X but her AA is bubbled in a sense leaving her vunerable to payloads making target.
  • Very good shell velocity.

Cons:

  • Very tempting target due to her being the biggest ship in the game; any decently accurate strike such as dive bombers or cruisers can reliably hit her
  • AA guns are easily destroyed under sustained fire.
  • Lowest range out of her peers at 20.61km
  • 420mm guns have a reload of 32 seconds, it is tolerable. But that extra 2 seconds could be costly.
  • Decent rudder shift is marred by poor turning circle and long response time.
  • Bow and stern deck armor is only 32mm
  • Huge superstructure allows for massive HE damage
  • Very prone to be set on fire. CAs will shell you with without impunity.
  • Turrets are poorly sloped so can be disabled by large caliber shells at close range. Yamatos with frequently cause jams with their HE.

Research

You only need to unlock the 420mm guns

Optimal Configuration

Upgrades

Owing to her superb array of anti-air power and secondary batteries, players looking to maximize her secondary battery or anti-air power should mount Auxiliary Armaments Modification 1, Secondary Battery Modification 2 or AA Guns Modification 2, and Secondary Battery Modification 3 or AA Guns Modification 3.

Players looking to maximize her main battery potential should equip Main Armaments Modification 1 (to prevent any potential incapacitation of the main batteries), Main Battery Modification 2 (for faster turret traverse, as she already has very good reload time) or Aiming Systems Modification 1 (for decreased dispersion), and Main Battery Modification 3 (for faster reload) or Gun Fire Control System Modification 2 (due to her anemic range [20 km] for a tier X battleship).

For the other upgrades, it's recommended to mount Damage Control System Modification 1 (her propulsion and steering gears are very well protected, and she is a very large target), Damage Control System Modification 2 (for lower fire and flooding durations to lower damage taken) or Steering Gears Modification 2 (for better rudder shift), and Target Acquisition System Modification 1 (Concealment System Modification 1 will not help much due to her large detectability).

Commander Skills

Consumables

As a tier X German battleship, Großer Kurfürst has access to the following consumables and their premium versions: Damage Control Party, Spotting Aircraft, Catapult Fighter, and Hydroacoustic Search.

Camouflage

Type 1, 2, or 5 camouflage can be equipped for credits; Types 2 or 5 are recommended at a minimum to reduce the accuracy of incoming shells.

Players who wish to spend doubloons can equip Großer Kurfürst with Type 20 camouflage that lowers her detection radius and the cost for her post-battle service, reduces the accuracy of incoming shells, and increases the amount of experience and credits she earns.

Signals

As a Tier X battleship, it is recommended to mount the following signals on Großer Kurfürst: Equal Speed Charlie London, Zulu Hotel, Dragon Flag (all for faster captain training), India Bravo Terrathree (to further reduce service costs if you so wish), India Delta (to recover more HP, as she is very susceptible to fire damage), India Yankee (to reduce fire damage taken), Zulu (if you wish to take more credits), Mike Yankee Soxisix (for better secondaries), and November Foxtrot (for faster cooldowns on the abilities).

Gallery

Historical Info

Historical Gallery

References

https://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_16-52_skc34.php

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France  III Turenne • IV Courbet • V Bretagne • VI Normandie • VI DunkerqueDoubloons • VI Dunkerque BDoubloons • VII Lyon • VII StrasbourgDoubloons • VIII Richelieu • VIII GascogneDoubloons • VIII ChampagneDoubloons • VIII FlandreDoubloons • VIII PicardieDoubloons • IX Alsace • IX Jean BartDoubloons • IX Jean Bart BDoubloons • X République • X BourgogneDoubloons •  Patrie 
U.S.S.R.  III Knyaz Suvorov • IV Imperator Nikolai IDoubloons • IV Gangut • V Pyotr Velikiy • V Oktyabrskaya RevolutsiyaDoubloons • VI Izmail • VI NovorossiyskDoubloons • VII Sinop • VII PoltavaDoubloons • VIII Vladivostok • VIII LeninDoubloons • VIII BorodinoDoubloons • IX Sovetsky Soyuz • IX NavarinDoubloons • IX AL Sov. RossiyaDoubloons • X Kremlin • X SlavaDoubloons •  Admiral Ushakov 
U.S.A.  III South Carolina • IV Wyoming • IV Arkansas BetaDoubloons • V New York • V OklahomaDoubloons • V TexasDoubloons • VI New Mexico • VI ArizonaDoubloons • VI W. Virginia '41Doubloons • VII Colorado • VII FloridaDoubloons • VII West Virginia '44Doubloons • VII CaliforniaDoubloons • VIII North Carolina • VIII Kansas • VIII Nebraska • VIII AlabamaDoubloons • VIII MassachusettsDoubloons • VIII Alabama VLDoubloons • VIII ConstellationDoubloons • VIII Massachusetts BDoubloons • VIII Alabama STDoubloons • VIII North Carolina CLRDoubloons • IX Iowa • IX Minnesota • IX Delaware • IX MissouriDoubloons • IX KearsargeDoubloons • IX IllinoisDoubloons • IX Kearsarge BDoubloons • IX GeorgiaDoubloons • X Montana • X Vermont • X Louisiana • X OhioDoubloons • X Rhode Island • X Wisconsin •  Maine 
Germany  III Nassau • III Von der Tann • III König AlbertDoubloons • IV Kaiser • IV Moltke • V König • V Derfflinger • VI Bayern • VI Mackensen • VI Prinz Eitel FriedrichDoubloons • VII Gneisenau • VII Prinz Heinrich • VII ScharnhorstDoubloons • VII AL Prinz HeinrichDoubloons • VII Scharnhorst BDoubloons • VII Scharnhorst '43Doubloons • VIII TirpitzDoubloons • VIII Bismarck • VIII Zieten • VIII OdinDoubloons • VIII BrandenburgDoubloons • VIII AnhaltDoubloons • VIII Brandenburg BDoubloons • VIII Tirpitz BDoubloons • IX Friedrich der Grosse • IX Prinz Rupprecht • IX PommernDoubloons • IX Pommern BDoubloons • X Grosser KurfürstDoubloons • X Schlieffen • X Preussen • X MecklenburgDoubloons •  Hannover 
Pan-Asia  IX BajieDoubloons • IX WujingDoubloons • IX Sun Yat-SenDoubloons • IX LouchuanDoubloons 
Spain  IX Victoria 
Europe  V Viribus UnitisDoubloons • IX Karl XIV JohanDoubloons 
Netherlands  
Italy  IV Dante Alighieri • V Conte di Cavour • V Giulio CesareDoubloons • VI Andrea Doria • VII Francesco Caracciolo • VIII Vittorio Veneto • VIII RomaDoubloons • VIII AL LittorioDoubloons • IX Lepanto • IX Marco PoloDoubloons • IX Giuseppe VerdiDoubloons • X Cristoforo Colombo • X Ruggiero di Lauria • X Sicilia 
Commonwealth  VII YukonDoubloons 
Pan-America  V Rio de JaneiroDoubloons • VIII AtlânticoDoubloons