Marceau
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+ | First released with patch 0.9.3 (April 8th, 2020) in the Armory for Coal. | |||
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? | + | ''{{#var:ship_name}}'' is the coal alternative to ''Kleber''. She shares ''Kleber'''s hull but her differences warrant a completely different play style. She mounts the 127mm guns of ''Colbert'', at the tradeoff of reduced HE alpha damage and slower shell ballistics in exchange for higher AP alpha. She also enjoys a concealment advantage over ''Kleber'', and has longer range torpedoes. | ||
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? | + | ''{{#var:ship_name}}'' differs from her sister ''Kleber'' in many ways, primarily her guns, which boast the highest DPM of any tier 10 destroyer. However, in exchange for the powerful guns, she still suffers from the lack of a smokescreen consumable, and her torpedoes are rather underwhelming due to their poor range and reload. | ||
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? | + | This leads to a destroyer hunter type role, where she contests caps and runs down enemy destroyers with her extremely high speeds in order to make up for her poor concealment, while gunning them down with her powerful guns before quickly turning away and going dark to search for her next prey. ''{{#var:ship_name}}'' is a poor counter to cruisers due to her poor ballistics, and her limited range means that unless the player takes upgrades, she must venture dangerously close to battleships to deal damage to them with her guns. Overall, ''{{#var:ship_name}}'' is best played as a destroyer hunter or as a battleship farmer, while also making a mediocre torpedo boat on the side. | ||
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+ | For those more acquainted with the style of gunboat play, a different play style can be taken on by taking full advantage of ''Marceau'''s speed and damage output. At first, ''Marceau'' may hang back, using her speed and handling to fire at enemy battleships and cruisers with more sluggish shells that she can dodge. As the game progresses however, she can get closer to the battlefield, beginning to exhibit control of capture zones and hunt down enemy destroyers, as well as even rushing down battleships if the situation calls for it. | |||
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+ | Overall this leads to a play style that rotates around her powerful guns, but is limited by her short range and poor ballistics. ''{{#var:ship_name}}'' is a powerful destroyer with the potential to turn around games in the right hands. | |||
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? | * | + | * Very quick main battery traverse speed | |
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? | * | + | * Amazing HE DPM and fire starting capability | |
? | * | + | * Unique midsection saturation mechanics allow ''Marceau'' to take more hits compared to non-French destroyers | |
+ | * Best speed among Tier 10 destroyers, tied with ''[[Kleber]]'' | |||
+ | * decent AA defenses that can fight against t8 cvs and access to the {{Defensive AA Fire}} consumable | |||
+ | * Better torpedo range and stealth than ''[[Kleber]]'' | |||
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? | * | + | * Poor main battery range | |
? | * | + | * Poor shell velocity and high shell arcs make hitting targets at long range difficult | |
? | * | + | * Very slow torpedo reload speed, individual torpedoes have less speed and damage than ''[[Kleber]]'''s | |
? | * | + | * Large turn radius and fairly slow rudder shift | |
+ | * Poor concealment, the minimum surface detectability is 7km at best | |||
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? | + | The recommended upgrades for ''{{#var:ship_name}}'' are as follows: | ||
? | * '''Slot 1''': | + | * '''Slot 1''': {{Main Armaments Modification 1}}. | |
? | * '''Slot 2''': | + | * '''Slot 2''': {{Engine Room Protection}}. An interesting alternative is {{Engine Boost Modification 1}}. This special upgrade increases the duration of the engine boost to 270 seconds! Defensive AA Fire Modification is not recommended due to its selective utility. | |
? | * '''Slot 3''': | + | * '''Slot 3''': {{Aiming Systems Modification 1}} is the top pick for a generalist build, whereas players who want to specialize more towards a torpedo build can also use {{Torpedo Tubes Modification 1}}. | |
? | * '''Slot 4''': | + | * '''Slot 4''': {{Propulsion Modification 1}} is the undisputed choice. For fast destroyers like ''Marceau'', varying speed is a better dodging mechanism than steering. | |
? | * '''Slot 5''': | + | * '''Slot 5''': {{Concealment System Modification 1}}. | |
? | * '''Slot 6''': | + | * '''Slot 6''': {{Main Battery Modification 3}} to increase the firepower of the guns; she can afford the loss of traverse speed. One can take {{Gun Fire Control System Modification 2}} for extra main battery range, although with a commander who has the ''Main Battery & AA Expert'' skill this may be excessive. (Remember that while more range increases the reach of the guns, it also increases the range at which the ship can be spotted when firing.) While {{Torpedo Tubes Modification 2}} is an option, ''Marceau'' struggles to deal consistent damage with her torpedoes so it's not recommended to invest too heavily in the torpedo armament. | |
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? | + | ===In-game historical inaccuracies=== | ||
+ | It's unlikely the French would have given this design the name ''Marceau'' as it conflicts with a Type 1936A (Mob) destroyer which had the same name and was in French Navy service from 1946 to 1958. | |||
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+ | <div class="b-popup"><div class="b-popup_head js-tech-nav_head"><div><h2>Ship Change Log</h2></div><span class="b-tech-nav_arrow"></span></div><div class="b-popup_content" style="display: none;"><div> | |||
+ | See [[Changelogs_for_World_of_Warships|here]] for links to Update notes. | |||
+ | *Available for testing by supertesters in the game starting from update 0.8.8. | |||
+ | *Update 0.9.3: | |||
+ | **available for purchase in the Armory for 236,000 Coal. | |||
+ | *Update 0.9.4: | |||
+ | **minor fixes to textures and ship model. | |||
+ | *Update 0.9.5: | |||
+ | **minor fixes to geometry and textures. | |||
+ | *Update 0.9.6: | |||
+ | **turning circle radius changed from 760 m to 740 m to correct prior discrepancy. | |||
+ | *Update 0.9.8: | |||
+ | **minor fixes to geometry and textures. | |||
+ | *Update 0.9.11: | |||
+ | **minor fixes to geometry and textures. | |||
+ | </div></div></div> | |||
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Revision as of 01:47, 27 July 2021
127 mm/54 Mle 1948 on an Mle 1948 mount4 х 2 pcs. |
Rate of Fire17.14 shots/min. |
Reload Time3.5 sec. |
Rotation Speed30 deg./sec. |
180 Degree Turn Time6 sec. |
Firing Range11.5 km. |
Maximum Dispersion101 m. |
HE Shell127 mm HE Mark 41 |
Maximum HE Shell Damage1,850 |
Chance of Fire on Target Caused by HE Shell7 % |
Initial HE Shell Velocity808 m./s. |
HE Shell Weight31.5 kg. |
AP Shell127 mm AP Mark 42 |
Maximum AP Shell Damage2,450 |
Initial AP Shell Velocity808 m./s. |
AP Shell Weight32.5 kg. |
550 mm tube lance-torpilles4 х 3 pcs. |
Rate of Fire0.42 shots/min. |
Reload Time142 sec. |
Rotation Speed25 deg./sec. |
180 Degree Turn Time7.2 sec. |
Torpedo550 mm 23DT |
Maximum Damage14,833 |
Torpedo Speed60 knot |
Torpedo Range9 km. |
127 mm/54 Mle 1948 on an Mle 1948 mount4 х 2 pcs. |
. . . Average Damage per Second62.8 |
. . . Firing Range5.19 km. |
20 mm Oerlikon on a Mk.24 mount4 х 2 pcs. |
. . . Average Damage per Second24.4 |
. . . Firing Range2.01 km. |
40 mm Bofors on a Mk.2 mount3 х 4 pcs. |
. . . Average Damage per Second47.7 |
. . . Firing Range3.51 km. |
40 mm Bofors on a Mk.1 mount2 х 2 pcs. |
. . . Average Damage per Second22.6 |
. . . Firing Range3.51 km. |
Maximum Speed44 knot |
Turning Circle Radius740 m. |
Rudder Shift Time4.8 sec. |
Surface Detectability Range8.61 km. |
Air Detectability Range4.84 km. |
Marceau — French special premium Tier X destroyer.
In 1939, amid rising worldwide tensions, it was decided to continue building the leaders and increase the number of Mogador-class ships to six. Destroyer Marceau was never laid down, and construction works were suspended after France declared war on Germany. Due to the defeat of France in the summer of 1940, the ship was never built. If the construction had continued after the war, the ship could have received American 127 mm dual-purpose guns.
First released with patch 0.9.3 (April 8th, 2020) in the Armory for Coal.
Modules
Hit Points (HP) | Armor (mm) | Armor (mm) | Main Turrets (pcs.) | Secondary Gun Turrets (pcs.) | AA Mounts (pcs.) | Torpedo Tubes (pcs.) | Hangar Capacity (pcs.) |
Research price (exp) |
Purchase price () | ||
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Marceau | 21,900 | 10 | 20 | 4 | 4/2/3/4 | 4 | 0 | 0 |
Rate of Fire (shots/min) | Torpedo Tubes Reload Time (sec) | 180° Turn Time (sec) | Maximum Damage (HP) | Torpedo Speed (knot) | Torpedo Range (km) |
Research price (exp) |
Purchase price () | ||
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550 mm 23DT | 0.4 | 142 | 7.2 | 14,833 | 60 | 9 | 0 | 0 |
Compatible Upgrades
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Player Opinion
Performance
Marceau is the coal alternative to Kleber. She shares Kleber's hull but her differences warrant a completely different play style. She mounts the 127mm guns of Colbert, at the tradeoff of reduced HE alpha damage and slower shell ballistics in exchange for higher AP alpha. She also enjoys a concealment advantage over Kleber, and has longer range torpedoes.
Marceau differs from her sister Kleber in many ways, primarily her guns, which boast the highest DPM of any tier 10 destroyer. However, in exchange for the powerful guns, she still suffers from the lack of a smokescreen consumable, and her torpedoes are rather underwhelming due to their poor range and reload.
This leads to a destroyer hunter type role, where she contests caps and runs down enemy destroyers with her extremely high speeds in order to make up for her poor concealment, while gunning them down with her powerful guns before quickly turning away and going dark to search for her next prey. Marceau is a poor counter to cruisers due to her poor ballistics, and her limited range means that unless the player takes upgrades, she must venture dangerously close to battleships to deal damage to them with her guns. Overall, Marceau is best played as a destroyer hunter or as a battleship farmer, while also making a mediocre torpedo boat on the side.
For those more acquainted with the style of gunboat play, a different play style can be taken on by taking full advantage of Marceau's speed and damage output. At first, Marceau may hang back, using her speed and handling to fire at enemy battleships and cruisers with more sluggish shells that she can dodge. As the game progresses however, she can get closer to the battlefield, beginning to exhibit control of capture zones and hunt down enemy destroyers, as well as even rushing down battleships if the situation calls for it.
Overall this leads to a play style that rotates around her powerful guns, but is limited by her short range and poor ballistics. Marceau is a powerful destroyer with the potential to turn around games in the right hands.Pros:
- Very quick main battery traverse speed
- Excellent main battery reload speed
- Amazing HE DPM and fire starting capability
- Unique midsection saturation mechanics allow Marceau to take more hits compared to non-French destroyers
- Best speed among Tier 10 destroyers, tied with Kleber
- decent AA defenses that can fight against t8 cvs and access to the Defensive AA Fire consumable
- Better torpedo range and stealth than Kleber
Cons:
- Poor main battery range
- Poor shell velocity and high shell arcs make hitting targets at long range difficult
- Very slow torpedo reload speed, individual torpedoes have less speed and damage than Kleber's
- Large turn radius and fairly slow rudder shift
- Poor concealment, the minimum surface detectability is 7km at best
Research
Optimal Configuration
Upgrades
The recommended upgrades for Marceau are as follows:
- Slot 1: Main Armaments Modification 1 .
- Slot 2: Engine Room Protection . An interesting alternative is Engine Boost Modification 1 . This special upgrade increases the duration of the engine boost to 270 seconds! Defensive AA Fire Modification is not recommended due to its selective utility.
- Slot 3: Aiming Systems Modification 1 is the top pick for a generalist build, whereas players who want to specialize more towards a torpedo build can also use Torpedo Tubes Modification 1 .
- Slot 4: Propulsion Modification 1 is the undisputed choice. For fast destroyers like Marceau, varying speed is a better dodging mechanism than steering.
- Slot 5: Concealment System Modification 1 .
- Slot 6: Main Battery Modification 3 to increase the firepower of the guns; she can afford the loss of traverse speed. One can take Gun Fire Control System Modification 2 for extra main battery range, although with a commander who has the Main Battery & AA Expert skill this may be excessive. (Remember that while more range increases the reach of the guns, it also increases the range at which the ship can be spotted when firing.) While Torpedo Tubes Modification 2 is an option, Marceau struggles to deal consistent damage with her torpedoes so it's not recommended to invest too heavily in the torpedo armament.
Commander Skills
Consumables
Marceau equips the following consumables:
- Slot 1: Damage Control Party
- Slot 2: Defensive AA Fire
- Slot 3: Engine Boost
Camouflage
As a premium ship, Marceau comes with Type 20 camouflage that lowers her detection radius, reduces the accuracy of incoming shells, reduces her repair costs, and increases the amount of experience she earns.Gallery
Historical Info
Historical Gallery
References
Ship Change Log
Destroyers | II Enseigne Gabolde • III Fusilier • IV Bourrasque • V Jaguar • V Siroco • VI Guépard • VI Aigle • VII Vauquelin • VIII Le Fantasque • VIII Le Terrible • IX Mogador • X Kléber • X Marceau • X Kléber CLR |
Cruisers | I Bougainville • II Jurien de la Gravière • III Friant • IV Duguay-Trouin • V Émile Bertin • VI La Galissonnière • VI De Grasse • VI Dupleix • VI Montcalm • VII Algérie • VII Toulon • VIII Charles Martel • VIII Cherbourg • VIII Bayard • IX Saint-Louis • IX Brest • IX Carnot • X Henri IV • X Marseille • X Colbert • ★ Condé |
Battleships | III Turenne • IV Courbet • V Bretagne • VI Normandie • VI Dunkerque • VI Dunkerque B • VII Lyon • VII Strasbourg • VIII Richelieu • VIII Gascogne • VIII Champagne • VIII Flandre • VIII Picardie • IX Alsace • IX Jean Bart • IX Jean Bart B • X République • X Bourgogne • ★ Patrie |
Aircraft Carriers | VI Béarn |