AMX 65 t

Modules

Tier	Gun	Penetration (mm)	Damage (HP)	Rate of fire (rounds/minute)	Dispersion (m/100m)	Aiming time (s)		Weight (kg)	Price ()
VIII	90 mm DCA 45	212/259/45	240/240/320	8.82	0.38	2.3		2750	121250
VIII	100 mm SA47	232/263/50	300/300/400	6.45	0.34	3		3000	127550
IX	120 mm D. 1203	218/252/65	400/400/515	4.8	0.36	2.5		3580	185000

Tier	Engine	Engine Power (hp)	Chance of Fire on Impact (%)		Weight (kg)	Price ()
VIII	Maybach HL 230 P45F	750	20		750	55000
IX	Maybach HL 295	850	20		750	78000
IX	Maybach HL 295 à injection d'essence	1100	20		1200	86000

Tier	Suspension	Load Limit (т)	Traverse Speed (gr/sec)	Rmin		Weight (kg)	Price ()
VII	AMX 65 t	63	25	B/2		13000	19000
VIII	AMX 65 t bis	72	25	B/2		13000	36000

Tier	Radio	Signal Range (m)		Weight (kg)	Price ()
X	SCR-528 Fr	750		80	54000
VI	SCR 508	400		100	21600

Compatible Equipment

Compatible Consumables

Pros and Cons

Pros:

• Good alpha damage
• Good gun depression
• Reasonably armored turret face

Cons:

• Large, poorly armored hull
• Huge turret weakspots
• Poor DPM, gun handling and aim time
• Abysmal mobility
• Poor viewrange

Performance

The tank is almost immediately considered as one of the worst tier 8s in the entire game. This fact alone makes is viable to either use free xp to skip this tank entirely or simply play at stock and avoid researching the top 120 mm gun, last engine and 2nd suspension to get to tier 9 faster. At the very first glance, it doesn't seem like a bad tank: on first sight it has a capable main gun, bouncy pike nose, rounded turret and on top of these, very high power-to-weight ratio. However, the upgraded guns are limited by poor gun handling as part of French heavy tradition. The pike nose only consists of 100mm armor which is the same as the IS-3, but with worse angling and a taller profile that also ruins the ability to sidescrape. The stock turret has strong frontal armor as long as the commander's cupola on the right of the turret is hidden, but the upgraded turret introduces an extra weakspot in the form of a rangefinder which means you are always vulnerable. Comparing to the premium AMX M4 mle.49 which has the same turret armor, but 180mm front hull armor that's sloped backwards. Mobility is comparable to the T34 and Lowe despite high power to weight ratio due to very high terrain resistances on all terrain. Adding the poor view range and horrible camo leads to a fire support heavy that's not very good at supporting allies comparing to tanks such as the FCM 50t or AMX 50 100.

There are 4 different viable setups:

Stock turret + 100 mm gun is most flexible setup. Stock turret has stronger armor, significantly smaller profile and -10 of gun depression, but the already awful aim time on the 100 mm gun becomes even worse, view range is horrible with stock turret and the cupola has virtually no armor, but is a much smaller target than the one on top turret. It is best to use the vehicle as mid-range hulldown support vehicle. It is hard to position it correctly due to abysmal terrain resistances, as well as gigantic hull, but once positioned right, it can do decent job. The 100 mm gun has utterly awful gun handling, though, so it is recommended to fully aim each shot. Be careful, though, since being stationary means that your cupola is easier to hit. Be especially careful with Japanese heavy tanks, since they can penetrate you through the cupola for full damage with their high-explosive shells.

Stock turret + 90 mm gun gets rid of two of the tank's major flaw: poor gun handling and limited DPM. The turret lets you absorb hits while the good gun handling allows hitting shots when moving the hull back and forth to give the enemy a harder time hitting you. It's also the only gun on this tank that fires frequently enough to perma-track an enemy with a good shot to the tracks. The drawback is that you rely on premium rounds to go against even some tier 8 heavy tanks as you have no hope in flanking them. The top turret improves gun performance, but as it worsens your protection and the gun performance with stock turret is already decent, it's ill-advised.

Top turret + 100 mm gun is less effective when hulldown, but extra DPM, view range, gun stats and HP are more useful at pure damage dealing. Don't rely on turret armor at all against higher or even same tier opponents, since the "lip" is rather weak when not hulldown, and the rangefinder is a weakspot against same tier opponents. Like with the stock turret + 100 mm gun, you want to keep your opponents at mid-long ranges. The AMX 65t is a poor brawler, especially against other heavy tanks.

Top turret + 120 mm gun has an advantage of having alpha damage, giving the 65t ability to outtrade some opponents and makes it slightly more viable against other heavy tanks, though it is still a bad brawler, and will struggle with its lackluster penetration and horrible DPM. Follow a stronger heavy tank, let it take hits. Fight against targets which have lower alpha damage than you to make use of the semi-decent HP (1550) and 400 alpha damage. The gun has rather decent shell velocity so it can still work at mid-ranges, though not as effectively.

All in all, the AMX 65t is a really poor vehicle and doesn't play as a heavily armored heavy tank, as promised. It follows up similar play style as the AMX M4 45, but with worse mobility and better turret armor.

Early Research

The Maybach HL 295 engine and SCR-528 Fr radio carry over from the AMX M4 mle. 45 and should be installed immediately.

If you already have the 100mm SA47 unlocked (from either the main French heavy line or the BatChat/AMX 30 branches) mount it as well. If not, grind it.

If you want the 2nd cupola, last engine or last gun, research the suspension. Otherwise, skip it to save on XP.

Research the upgraded turret - unfortunately you HAVE to do it on your way up to AMX M4 Mle. 51, even if you don't want to use it.

Research the 120mm gun if you want it - if not, you can skip it completely and save on XP (it is not used on any other tank).

If you have researched the suspension previously, you may research the top engine, it is also top engine for AMX M4 Mle. 51. But it is viable to skip it to get to tier 9 faster and research it on the AMX M4 Mle. 51 instead.

Suggested Equipment

Documented Tank and Crew Builds

Since this vehicle has only mediocre damage-per-minute on 120mm gun and low alpha damage on 90mm and 100mm guns, a Gun Rammer is mandatory. The rather lousy gun dispersion values on movement and traverse can be greatly compensated by installing a Vertical Stabilizer, but the Gun Laying Drive is not that useful unless one sticks with the 100mm SA47 gun.

The third slot depends mostly on one's playstyle: If not occupied by Enhanced Torsion Bars, it could be Ventilation to further improve overall parameters, or Coated Optics to make up for subpar view range. Toolbox also worths consideration if one gets entangled in crossfire from time to time.

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