Panther mit 8,8 cm L/71
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? | This tank should be used as a second- or third-line sniper with its precise gun. The gun has a excellent engagement envelope with 0.32 accuracy, the top of the class at the tier for 80mm or larger cannons, and has an effective engagement range that can compete with its [[Tank: | + | This tank should be used as a second- or third-line sniper with its precise gun. The gun has a excellent engagement envelope with 0.32 accuracy, the top of the class at the tier for 80mm or larger cannons, and has an effective engagement range that can compete with its [[Tank:JagdPanther|tank destroyer cousin]], even if due to armour/RoF tradeoffs it would not fulfill the same role or occupy the same positions. This is because compared to the [[Tank:Panther_II|Panther 2]], it is not good for agressive flanking maneuvers: not really fast enough nor very well-armored, only able to reliably bounce incoming shots only at extreme angles. Indeed, generally speaking close-quarter combat isn't a good idea in this tank. It can take some hits because it has a rather large hitpoint pool, but it is highly recommended that "Panther 88" drivers keep their distance in a fight, much like the Panther II where it's good DPM, very accurate, and good penetration gun will cripple enemies easily. The tank suffers from its non-preferential matchmaking and therefore can face Tier X tanks, against which the long 88mm gun will struggle to do consistent damage from the front. It should also be noted that this tank is the second cheapest tier 8 premium tank currently available, costing 3k to 4k less gold than most others (except the Super Pershing, which is just 100 gold cheaper). | |
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Panther mit 8,8 cm L/71
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[Client Values; Actual values in
6,500 Cost |
1500300 HP Hit Points |
46.5/4927.29/49 t Weight Limit |
- Commander
- Gunner
- Driver
- Radio Operator
- Loader
700700 hp Engine Power |
46/20 km/h Speed Limit |
4040 deg/s Traverse |
15.0525.65 hp/t Power/Wt Ratio |
YesYes Pivot |
// mm Hull Armor |
120/60/60120/60/60 mm Turret Armor |
AP/APCR/HE
AP/APCR/HE Shells |
252/4400/252
252/4400/252 Shell Cost |
280/280/370280/280/370 HP Damage |
203/237/44203/237/44 mm Penetration |
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8.7 r/m Standard Gun ▲
8.7 Rate of Fire Standard Gun |
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Standard Gun
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Standard Gun
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2436 Standard Gun ▲
Standard Gun
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Standard Gun
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2436 Damage Per Minute Standard Gun |
m ▲
0.32 m With 50% Crew: 0.396 m ▲
0.32 Accuracy With 50% Crew: 0.396 m |
s 2.5 s 2.5 Aim time |
3232 deg/s Turret Traverse |
360° Gun Arc |
-8°/+13°-8°/+13° Elevation Arc |
5656 rounds Ammo Capacity |
2020 % Chance of Fire |
m 390 m 390 View Range |
m 550 m 550 Signal Range |
VIII
6500
The Panther mit 8,8 cm L/71 is a German tier 8 premium medium tank.
Development of a modification of the Panther started in the spring of 1944. The new variant was to incorporate a newly designed Schmalturm turret. The new vehicle was designated the Panther Ausf. F. On January 23, 1945, it was reported that the 88-mm gun of the Tiger was mounted on the upgraded version of the new turret. A large number of hulls for the vehicle were manufactured, but the turret never saw production and existed only as a wooden model.
This tank was introduced with patch 9.5 Update 9.5: New Premium Vehicle at 11,500 gold. However on the 30/12/14 Wargaming reduced the price to 7300 gold Panther mit 8,8cm L/71: Price Reduction and refunded the difference in gold or a full refund via customer services. This initial price caused a lot of bad reputation for this tank.
Modules / Available Equipment and Consumables
Modules
Tier | Gun | Penetration (mm) |
Damage (HP) |
Rate of fire (rounds/minute) |
Dispersion (m/100m) |
Aiming time (s) |
Weight (kg) |
Price ()
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VIII | 8.8 cm Kw.K. 43 L/71 mod.Vlt | 203/237/44 | 280/280/370 | 8.7 | 0.32 | 2.5 | 2562 | 112180 |
Tier | Engine | Engine Power (hp) |
Chance of Fire on Impact (%) |
Weight (kg) |
Price ()
| |
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VIII | Maybach HL 230 P30 | 700 | 20 | 1400 | 55000 |
Tier | Suspension | Load Limit (т) |
Traverse Speed (gr/sec) |
Rmin | Weight (kg) |
Price ()
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VIII | Panther mit 8,8 cm Kw.K. 43 L/71 | 49 | 40 | 0 | 15000 | 20000 |
Compatible Equipment
Compatible Consumables
Player Opinion
Pros and Cons
Pros:
- Excellent 88mm sniper gun with improved DPM and excellent accuracy; combined with cheap shells/repair, this gives a very high
- Very agile/maneuverable (fast traverse, good terrain resistance)
- Good sniper/support tank, with good view range,
- Big HP-Pool, and decent at ramming (less than Panth. 2)
- 2nd cheapest tier 8 premium tank.
Cons:
- No pref. matchmaking (sees Tier X) and has insufficient penetration
- Not capable of brawling: Thinner front armour than the Panther II
- Not capable of ramming, and slower downhill: Less mass compared to Panther II
- Not stealthy: camo is worst in class, slightly worse than even Panther II.
- Not mobile: Relatively poor engine and top speed
Performance
This tank should be used as a second- or third-line sniper with its precise gun. The gun has a excellent engagement envelope with 0.32 accuracy, the top of the class at the tier for 80mm or larger cannons, and has an effective engagement range that can compete with its tank destroyer cousin, even if due to armour/RoF tradeoffs it would not fulfill the same role or occupy the same positions. This is because compared to the Panther 2, it is not good for agressive flanking maneuvers: not really fast enough nor very well-armored, only able to reliably bounce incoming shots only at extreme angles. Indeed, generally speaking close-quarter combat isn't a good idea in this tank. It can take some hits because it has a rather large hitpoint pool, but it is highly recommended that "Panther 88" drivers keep their distance in a fight, much like the Panther II where it's good DPM, very accurate, and good penetration gun will cripple enemies easily. The tank suffers from its non-preferential matchmaking and therefore can face Tier X tanks, against which the long 88mm gun will struggle to do consistent damage from the front. It should also be noted that this tank is the second cheapest tier 8 premium tank currently available, costing 3k to 4k less gold than most others (except the Super Pershing, which is just 100 gold cheaper).
Early Research
Premium vehicle
Suggested Equipment
Gallery
Historical Info
In a meeting on February 10, 1943, further design changes were proposed, including changes to the steering gears and final drives. Another meeting on February 17, 1943 focused on sharing and standardizing parts between the Tiger II tank and the Panther 2, such as the transmission, all-steel roadwheels, and running gear. No plans were made to include the 8.8 cm L/71 as the turret diameter was too small. In March 1943, MAN indicated that the first prototype would be completed by August 1943. A number of engines were under consideration, among them the new Maybach HL 234 fuel-injected engine (900 hp operated by an 8-speed hydraulic transmission).
Thus, plans to replace the original Panther design with the Panther II were already underway before the first Panther had even seen combat. But, from May to June 1943, work on the Panther II ceased, as the focus was shifted to expanding production of the original Panther tank. It is not clear if there was ever an official cancellation; this may have been because the Panther II upgrade path was originally started at Hitler's insistence. The direction that the design was headed would not have been consistent with Germany's need for a mass-produced tank, which was the goal of the Reich Ministry of Armament and War Production. Additionally, many of the problems the Panther II was made to address had been resolved, such as the weak side armor.
One Panther II chassis was completed and eventually captured by the U.S. It is now on display at the Patton Museum in Fort Knox. The turret from a Panther (I) Ausf G is mounted on this chassis.