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?* Legendary rear hull armor of 25mm, easiliy penetrated by Tier I's+* Worthless rear hull armor of 25mm, easiliy penetrated by Tier I's
 * Easy target for artillery * Easy target for artillery
 * Comparatively low pen and damage for it's tier * Comparatively low pen and damage for it's tier

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Black Prince

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Battle Tier
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[Client Values; Actual values in
Specifically, the mismatch in crew values caused by commander's 10% crew skill bonus. Outside of a crew of 1 commander only, 100% crew is a fiction. The client values, given for 100% crew, will normally be taken into battle with 110% crew skill members aside from specific functions, causing their actual performance to deviate from the expected client value. These differences are taken into account in tooltip boxes.
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1,400,000  Credits Cost
14501450 HP Hit Points
50.65/5149.71/53 t Weight Limit
Crew
  1. Commander
  2. Driver
  3. Radio Operator
  4. Gunner
  5. Loader
Mobility
350600 hp Engine Power
20/12 km/h Speed Limit
1820 deg/s Traverse
6.9112.07 hp/t Power/Wt Ratio
NoNo Pivot
Armor
152.4/95.3/50.8 mm Hull Armor
240/95.2/101.6240/95.2/101.6 mm Turret Armor
Armament







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175/3200/75
Shell Cost
140/140/190150/150/190 HP Damage
148/208/38171/239/38 mm Penetration



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14.29 r/m 

Standard Gun

Reload Times
Nominal: 4.2 s
50% Crew: 5.2 s
75% Crew: 4.54 s
100% Crew: 4.03 s
Rammer: 3.63 s
Vents: 3.94 s
Both: 3.55 s
Both and BiA: 3.47 s
Both and Max Crew %: 3.33 s

See Crew, Consumables, or Equipment for more information.



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12 r/m 

Standard Gun

Reload Times
Nominal: 5 s
50% Crew: 6.19 s
75% Crew: 5.41 s
100% Crew: 4.79 s
Rammer: 4.31 s
Vents: 4.68 s
Both: 4.22 s
Both and BiA: 4.12 s
Both and Max Crew %: 3.95 s

See Crew, Consumables, or Equipment for more information.
Rate of Fire






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2000.6

Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 1 (140 Damage):


Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 2000.6
50% Crew: 1615.6
75% Crew: 1849.4
100% Crew: 2086
100% Crew
Vents: 2133.6
Rammer: 2318.4
Both: 2370.2
Both and BiA: 2422
Both and Max Crew %: 2527

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 2140.6
50% Crew: 1755.6
75% Crew: 1989.4
100% Crew: 2226
100% Crew
Rammer: 2458.4
Vents: 2273.6
Both: 2510.2
Both and BiA: 2562
Both and Max Crew %: 2667

See here, here, or here for more information.

Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 2 (140 Damage):


Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 2000.6
50% Crew: 1615.6
75% Crew: 1849.4
100% Crew: 2086
100% Crew
Vents: 2133.6
Rammer: 2318.4
Both: 2370.2
Both and BiA: 2422
Both and Max Crew %: 2527

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 2140.6
50% Crew: 1755.6
75% Crew: 1989.4
100% Crew: 2226
100% Crew
Rammer: 2458.4
Vents: 2273.6
Both: 2510.2
Both and BiA: 2562
Both and Max Crew %: 2667

See here, here, or here for more information.

Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 3 (190 Damage):
With wholly penetrating hits

Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 2715.1
50% Crew: 2192.6
75% Crew: 2509.9
100% Crew: 2831
100% Crew
Vents: 2895.6
Rammer: 3146.4
Both: 3216.7
Both and BiA: 3287
Both and Max Crew %: 3429.5

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 2905.1
50% Crew: 2382.6
75% Crew: 2699.9
100% Crew: 3021
100% Crew
Rammer: 3336.4
Vents: 3085.6
Both: 3406.7
Both and BiA: 3477
Both and Max Crew %: 3619.5

See here, here, or here for more information.






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1800

Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 1 (150 Damage):


Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 1800
50% Crew: 1453.5
75% Crew: 1663.5
100% Crew: 1878
100% Crew
Vents: 1920
Rammer: 2086.5
Both: 2133
Both and BiA: 2181
Both and Max Crew %: 2275.5

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 1950
50% Crew: 1603.5
75% Crew: 1813.5
100% Crew: 2028
100% Crew
Rammer: 2236.5
Vents: 2070
Both: 2283
Both and BiA: 2331
Both and Max Crew %: 2425.5

See here, here, or here for more information.

Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 2 (150 Damage):


Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 1800
50% Crew: 1453.5
75% Crew: 1663.5
100% Crew: 1878
100% Crew
Vents: 1920
Rammer: 2086.5
Both: 2133
Both and BiA: 2181
Both and Max Crew %: 2275.5

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 1950
50% Crew: 1603.5
75% Crew: 1813.5
100% Crew: 2028
100% Crew
Rammer: 2236.5
Vents: 2070
Both: 2283
Both and BiA: 2331
Both and Max Crew %: 2425.5

See here, here, or here for more information.

Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 3 (190 Damage):
With wholly penetrating hits

Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 2280
50% Crew: 1841.1
75% Crew: 2107.1
100% Crew: 2378.8
100% Crew
Vents: 2432
Rammer: 2642.9
Both: 2701.8
Both and BiA: 2762.6
Both and Max Crew %: 2882.3

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 2470
50% Crew: 2031.1
75% Crew: 2297.1
100% Crew: 2568.8
100% Crew
Rammer: 2832.9
Vents: 2622
Both: 2891.8
Both and BiA: 2952.6
Both and Max Crew %: 3072.3

See here, here, or here for more information.
Damage Per Minute


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0.34 m 

With 50% Crew: 0.421 m
With 75% Crew: 0.368 m
With 100% Crew: 0.326 m
With BiA: 0.319 m
With BiA and Vents: 0.312 m
Maximum possible: 0.299 m

For more details, see Crew


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0.34 m 

With 50% Crew: 0.421 m
With 75% Crew: 0.368 m
With 100% Crew: 0.326 m
With BiA: 0.319 m
With BiA and Vents: 0.312 m
Maximum possible: 0.299 m

For more details, see Crew
Accuracy


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2.3 s 

With 50% Crew: 2.849 s
With 75% Crew: 2.488 s
With 100% Crew: 2.205 s
With GLD: 2.005 s
With BiA: 2.157 s
With BiA and Vents: 2.11 s
With both and GLD: 1.918 s
Maximum possible: 1.839 s

For more details, see Crew or Equipment


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2.3 s 

With 50% Crew: 2.849 s
With 75% Crew: 2.488 s
With 100% Crew: 2.205 s
With GLD: 2.005 s
With BiA: 2.157 s
With BiA and Vents: 2.11 s
With both and GLD: 1.918 s
Maximum possible: 1.839 s

For more details, see Crew or Equipment
Aim time
3030 deg/s Turret Traverse
360° Gun Arc
-8°/+20°-8°/+20° Elevation Arc
14084 rounds Ammo Capacity
General
2020 % Chance of Fire






370 m 

With 50% Crew: 290.7 m
With 75% Crew: 330.4 m
With 100% Crew: 370 m
With Recon and Situational Awareness: 388.7 m
With Coated Optics: 407 m
With Binocular Telescope: 462.5 m
Maximum possible: 529.7 m

For more details, see Skills or Equipment






370 m 

With 50% Crew: 290.7 m
With 75% Crew: 330.4 m
With 100% Crew: 370 m
With Recon and Situational Awareness: 388.7 m
With Coated Optics: 407 m
With Binocular Telescope: 462.5 m
Maximum possible: 529.7 m

For more details, see Skills or Equipment
View Range


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450 m 

With 50% Crew: 363.3 m
With 75% Crew: 416 m
With 100% Crew: 469.3 m
With 100% Signal Boost: 540 m
When affected by 100% Relaying: 495 m
Maximum possible: 675.5 m

For more details, see Skills or Equipment


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700 m 

With 50% Crew: 565.1 m
With 75% Crew: 647.2 m
With 100% Crew: 730.1 m
With 100% Signal Boost: 840 m
When affected by 100% Relaying: 770 m
Maximum possible: 1050.8 m

For more details, see Skills or Equipment
Signal Range
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VII

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1400000

The Black Prince is a British tier 7 heavy tank.

Developed from 1943 through 1945 on the basis of the Churchill tank. It featured a wider and elongated hull to carry the upgraded turret with a 17-pounder gun. A total of six Black Prince prototypes were produced from 1944 through 1945. A few vehicles underwent trials but never saw action.

The last of the "Infantry tanks", the Black Prince is an overhauled Churchill equipped with a much better gun. Unfortunately, while the powerful engine makes it respectably agile during maneuvering, the tank retains the terrible cruising speed of its predecessors. Still, even being the slowest of all tier 7 tanks, its a worthy opponent thanks to its quick rate of fire, excellent accuracy, and great armor that can surprisingly bounce even a T34 shot sometimes.

When first acquired, the lumbering mobility will be absolutely inadequate for its tier, and only after researching the superb Meteor engine does it gain its ability to perform a stalwart role in battle. Like the Mark VII, it boasts an excellent front and side armor, but under no circumstance should it be driven into the open as it is an easy artillery target.

The Black Prince leads to the Caernarvon.

Modules / Available Equipment and Consumables

Modules

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Guns

Tier Gun Penetration
(mm)
Damage
(HP)
Rate of fire
(rounds/minute)
Dispersion
(m/100m)
Aiming time
(s)
Weight
(kg)
Price
( Credits)

VII OQF 17-pdr Gun Mk. VII 171/239/38 150/150/190 12 0.34 2.3 826 70000
VII OQF 77 mm Gun Mk. II 148/208/38 140/140/190 14.29 0.34 2.3 681 63000

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Turrets

Tier Turret Turret Armor (front/sides/rear)
(mm)
Turret Traverse Speed
(deg/s)
View Range
(m)
Weight
(kg)
Price
( Credits)

VII Black Prince 240/95.2/101.6 30 370 10000 26300

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Engines

Tier Engine Engine Power
(hp)
Chance of Fire on Impact
(%)
Weight
(kg)
Price
( Credits)

V Rolls-Royce Meteor 600 20 744 14000
IV Bedford Twin-Six 350 20 1531 11000

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Suspensions

Tier Suspension Load Limit
(т)
Traverse Speed
(gr/sec)
Rmin Weight
(kg)
Price
( Credits)

VI Black Prince 51 18 B/2 10000 13000
VII Black Prince Mk. II 53 20 B/2 10000 18000

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Radios

Tier Radio Signal Range
(m)
Weight
(kg)
Price
( Credits)

VII WS No. 19 Mk. II 450 40 21000
VIII WS No. 22 700 40 25000
VIII WS No. 19 Mk. III 550 40 22000

Compatible Equipment

Low Noise Exhaust System Class 2 Vertical Stabilizer Class 2 Medium Spall Liner Camouflage Net Class 2 Coated Optics Class 2 Stabilizing Equipment System Experimental Optics Wear-Resistant Gun Laying Drive Improved Configuration Venting System Innovative Loading System Enhanced Gun Laying Drive Class 2 Improved Hardening Class 2 Additional Grousers Class 2 Modified Configuration Class 2 Improved Rotation Mechanism Class 2 Improved Aiming Class 2 Improved Ventilation Class 2 Binocular Telescope Class 2 Gun Rammer Class 2 Turbocharger Class 2 

Compatible Consumables

Stabilizer Greasing Automatic Fire Extinguisher Natural Cover Optical Calibration Aim Tuning Experienced Firefighters 100-octane Gasoline 105-octane Gasoline Manual Fire Extinguisher Pre-Battle Maintenance Vent Purge Large First Aid Kit Large Repair Kit Duty Comes First Shell Organizer Orderly Ammo Rack Focus on Target Pudding and Tea Increased Focus Small First Aid Kit Small Repair Kit Gearbox Intricacy Steady Hand Combat Course 


Player Opinion

Pros and Cons

Pros:


  • Front turret armour can bounce most tier 7-8 guns with ease
  • Tracks absorb a lot of damage
  • Thick hull armour
  • High Rate of Fire
  • Excellent accuracy


Cons:


  • Worthless rear hull armor of 25mm, easiliy penetrated by Tier I's
  • Easy target for artillery
  • Comparatively low pen and damage for it's tier
  • Low top speed


Performance

Once you're set in a direction, it will be rather difficult to backtrack as your top speed won't get you there in time; instead, you should consider where your allies are going and where you can be of most use. If you are close to the middle or bottom tier, stick to the second line and provide support with the excellent 17 pounder, which can penetrate weak spots on most high tier tanks easily thanks to it's great accuracy and aim time and good penetration. The damage will seem lacking but the rate of fire is impressive and the gun will drain all but the largest health pools in a short time.

If you are top tier, you can have a lot of fun. Unlike the first two UK heavies, the Black Prince has decent agility at slow speed and when used tactically it can make a brawler in a pinch, though it is generally a better idea to avoid close combat in order to fully utilize the advantages of your gun. It is vital especially in close quarters to angle your armor, preferably slightly to the right. Aside from the hatch and machine gun on the unsloped face of your driver's compartment and your very shallow commander's cupola, you are extremely difficult to penetrate from the front. Use your decent turning speed to your advantage and make those weak points harder to hit, and you will survive for a long time. If you can jam your front end against a rock or other cover with just your sharply angled side and your turret exposed to enemy fire, you can also become a frustrating blockade for any tank at your tier with the possible exception of the fearsome T-29, which with a suitable driver can reliably penetrate you and empty your health in just a few shots if you fight it from the front.

No matter what the fight, don't stray too far from your support. The BP can fight a lot of things and win head to head, but if you enter combat with more than one agile, well-armed tank in close quarters your chances of victory plummet. Shots to your exposed sides and rear carry a high chance of injuring a crew member or worse, destroying your ammo rack. This will more than double your reload time and make your cannon far less potent due to its low alpha damage.

Take note that when cornering or making tight turns your sides will be exposed long before your turret and gun, allowing enemies to potentially cause extensive damage to your exposed hull. Instead of making tight turns, you should take corners from far off the edge and angle yourself diagonally. This makes it harder for enemies hiding around the corner to penetrate you due to the shallow angle of your sides, and will leave your gun clear to fire at the enemy. This tactic is valid on all Churchill Tank Models.


Early Research

The tank doesn't have many research options, and those don't make any big differences, including the unrequired suspension. The choices will depend if you favour fire-power over mobility, but once again, no change will have outlandish results. The upgrade to your gun seems small on paper but the performance in battle is noticeably improved, especially against thick armor.


Suggested Equipment


Tank Gun Rammer Vertical Stabilizer 


Gallery

Historical Info

Tank, Infantry, Black Prince (A43) was the name assigned to an experimental development of the Churchill tank with a larger, wider hull and a QF 17-pounder (76 mm) gun. It was named after Edward, the Black Prince, a famous 14th century military leader.

Development

As a development from the Churchill, the Black Prince was a continuation of the line of Infantry tanks, that is slower, heavier tanks intended to operate in close support of infantry. The parallel development in British tank design were the Cruiser tanks, which were intended for more mobile operations. A43 was the General Staff Specification number issued in 1943, for an interim tank that would eventually be superseded by a "Universal tank" that would replace both Infantry and Cruiser tanks.

The cruiser line led to the Cromwell tank (and the 17 pounder armed Challenger variant) and then the Comet tank, (which had a variant of the 17 pounder gun) entering service during the war. While not as heavily protected as the Churchill, the Comet showed the way tank development was going. This led to the last of the cruiser line and the first of the Universal tanks, the very successful Centurion tank.

A larger gun than a conventional Churchill required a larger turret on a wider turret ring and consequently a widening of the tank hull to carry this. The Black Prince weighed around ten tons more than the Churchill so the suspension was modified and the tracks widened by 10 inches to carry the extra load. However, the Churchill's 350-horsepower (260 kW) engine was retained, leading to the tank being underpowered and slow, with maximum speeds of 10.5 mph (16.9 km/h) on roads and 7.5 mph (12.1 km/h) cross country. This was so slow that the tank's tactical usefulness would have been limited. Consideration was given to the use of the Rolls-Royce Meteor engine; this would have increased the available power to 600 hp (450 kW), but the idea never left the drawing–board. Likewise, plans to fit the Black Prince with the turret from the Centurion were never carried out.

By the time the Black Prince prototypes had appeared in May 1945, the Sherman Firefly had acquired a proven combat record, the Comet tank was in service and the introduction of Centurion was imminent. All these tanks carried the QF 17-pounder or a derivative; all had better mobility than the Black Prince and the Centurion had frontal armour of comparable effectiveness. The Black Prince had become redundant and the project was abandoned.

The Black Prince marked the end of the development of the Churchill tank, and the end of the Infantry tank concept in British tank design.

Survivors

The only surviving Black Prince tank is held by the Bovington Tank Museum in Bovington, UK; it is the fourth of the six prototypes that were built. It has recently been restored to running condition.


Historical Gallery


UK
Light Tanks ICruiser Mk. I IIM2 IICruiser Mk. II IILight Mk. VIC IIIValentine IIIStuart I-IV IIICruiser Mk. III IVCruiser Mk. IV VCovenanter VIA46 VICrusader VIIGSR 3301 Setter VIIIFV1066 Senlac VIIILHMTV IXGSOR3301 AVR FS XManticore
Medium Tanks IVickers Medium Mk. I IIVickers Medium Mk. II IIIVickers Medium Mk. III IVMatilda IVGrant IVAC 1 Sentinel VCavalier VValiant VSherman III VMatilda Black Prince VISherman Firefly VICromwell VIAC 4 Experimental VICromwell B VISherman VC Firefly VIIComet VIIICenturion Mk. I VIIIFV4202 VIIIChieftain/T95 VIIICenturion Mk. 5/1 RAAC VIIIChimera IXCenturion Mk. 7/1 XCenturion Action X
Heavy Tanks VChurchill I VExcelsior VIChurchill VII VITOG II* VIIBlack Prince VIIFV201 (A45) VIIICaernarvon VIIICaernarvon Action X IXConqueror XFV215b XSuper Conqueror XT95/FV4201 Chieftain
Tank Destroyers IIUniversal Carrier 2-pdr IVValentine AT IVAlecto VArcher VAT 2 VIChurchill Gun Carrier VIAchilles VIAT 8 VIExcalibur VIIChallenger VIIAT 15A VIIAT 7 VIIIAT 15 VIIICharioteer VIIITurtle Mk. I IXTortoise IXFV4004 Conway XFV215b (183) XFV4005 Stage II XFV217 Badger
Self-Propelled Artillery IILoyd Gun Carriage IIISexton II IIISexton I IVBirch Gun VBishop VIFV304 VIICrusader 5.5-in. SP VIIIFV207 IXFV3805 XConqueror Gun Carriage
Heavy Tanks
USA VT14 VT1 Heavy Tank VIM6 VIIKing Tiger (Captured) VIIT29 VIIIChrysler K VIIIChrysler K GF VIIIT26E5 VIIIT26E5 Patriot VIIIM54 Renegade VIIIM6A2E1 VIIIT32 VIIIT34 VIIIT34 B IXAE Phase I IXM103 IXT54E1 XT110E5 XT57 Heavy Tank
UK VChurchill I VExcelsior VIChurchill VII VITOG II* VIIBlack Prince VIIFV201 (A45) VIIICaernarvon VIIICaernarvon Action X IXConqueror XFV215b XSuper Conqueror XT95/FV4201 Chieftain
Germany IVPz.Kpfw. B2 740 (f) IVDurchbruchswagen 2 VITiger 131 VIVK 30.01 (P) VIVK 36.01 (H) VIIVK 45.03 VIITiger I VIITiger (P) VIIIVK 100.01 (P) VIIIVK 168.01 (P) VIIIVK 168.01 Mauerbrecher VIIIVK 75.01 (K) VIIIE 75 TS VIIILöwe VIIITiger II VIIIVK 45.02 (P) Ausf. A IXE 75 IXMäuschen IXVK 45.02 (P) Ausf. B XE 100 XPz.Kpfw. VII XMaus XVK 72.01 (K)
France IVB1 VBDR G1 B VIARL 44 VIIAMX M4 mle. 45 VIIIAMX 50 100 VIIIAMX M4 mle. 49 VIIIAMX M4 mle. 49 Liberté VIIIAMX 65 t VIIISomua SM VIIIFCM 50 t IXAMX 50 120 IXAMX M4 mle. 51 XAMX 50 B XAMX M4 mle. 54
USSR VChurchill III VKV-220-2 VKV-220-2 Beta Test VKV-1 VIKV-1S VIKV-2 VIKV-2 (R) VIKV-85 VIObject 244 VIT-150 VIIIS VIIKV-3 VIIKV-122 VIIIS-2M VIIIS-2 shielded VIIIS-2 VIIIIS-3 VIIIIS-6 VIIIIS-6 B VIIIKV-5 VIIIKV-4 VIIIIS-5 (Object 730) VIIIIS-3A VIIIKV-4 Kreslavskiy VIIIObject 252U Defender VIIIObject 252U VIIIIS-M VIIIObject 703 Version II VIIIIS-2-II IXT-10 IXObject 777 Version II IXObject 257 IXObject 705 IXIS-3-II IXST-I XIS-4 XIS-7 XObject 260 XObject 705A XObject 277 XObject 279 early XST-II
China VIIIS-2 VIIIWZ-111 VIIIWZ-111 Alpine Tiger VIII110 VIII112 IXWZ-111 model 1-4 X113 XWZ-111 model 5A
Japan IIIType 91 Heavy IVType 95 Heavy VO-I Experimental VIHeavy Tank No. VI VIO-I VIIO-Ni VIIIO-Ho IXType 4 Heavy XType 5 Heavy
Czechoslovakia
Sweden VIIIEmil I VIIIEMIL 1951 IXEmil II XKranvagn
Italy
Poland VII45TP Habicha VIII50TP prototyp VIII53TP Markowskiego IX50TP Tyszkiewicza X60TP Lewandowskiego
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