Type 5 Heavy
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| ? | + | Type 5, also known as Type 2605 or as Type 5 O-Ro Kai ("improved second super-heavy"), was a mysterious super-heavy tank that was supposedly developed by Imperial Japanese Army during the World War 2. Supposedly a proposed upgrade to the Type 4 super-heavy tank, only some very vague sources even hint at the possible existence of the tank, and as the information is incredibly limited, it currently impossible to tell whether the Type 4 and Type 5 super-heavy tanks actually existed or not. | ||
| + | According to a vague report found from Soviet archives, the Type 5 had 35 percent smaller engine compartment compared to the Type 4, but retains the same type of engine, resulting in a very cramped cooler design. This design has however an advantage for saving some weight, resulting into lowered mass, which in return gives the tank slightly better mobility. Additionally, the reduced weight could possibly allow the armor of the vehicle to be increased even further without increasing the total mass of the original Type 4. Four radiator blocks are shifted towards the rear, and, along with the separate oil cooler, are cooled with one many-bladed fan, connected to the main reductor by a crankshaft, passing between engines. Air is gathered through vertical grilles in the engine compartment, passes through vertical radiators, and is released behind the tank. If the fan breaks, the air will be partially circulated with exhaust fumes, achieved by a nozzle collector on each engine. | |||
| ? | + | Not much is known about the Type 5. It presumably had the same armament as the Type 4, believed to be a 14 cm naval gun. Just like it, many details like armor, speed, engine type and so on are unknown. Even if the Type 5 existed as a project, it presumably remained on papers due to Japan losing the war. | ||
| ? | + | It is important to note that Japanese sources have absolutely no information of another super-heavy tank project aside from the O-I being developed. It is also important to keep in mind that a lot of Japanese tank-related documents were lost after the war, however. The available information regarding the Type 4/5 super-heavy tanks are far too limited, and whether the tanks actually existed or not remains debatable. | ||
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| image:Type_3_140mm_Gun_from_Battleship_Mutsu_-_1-wp.jpg{{!}}14 cm/50 3rd Year Type naval gun from the battleship Mutsu. | image:Type_3_140mm_Gun_from_Battleship_Mutsu_-_1-wp.jpg{{!}}14 cm/50 3rd Year Type naval gun from the battleship Mutsu. | |||
| ? | image:Type_4_and_5_turret_bunker_mode.jpg{{!}}A picture of bunker that mounts a turret | + | image:Type_4_and_5_turret_bunker_mode.jpg{{!}}A picture of bunker that mounts a turret that might've belonged to the Type 4 super-heavy tank, taken by Soviet troops around Koto Fortress, Manchuria in 1945. | |
| ? | File:Type_4-slash-5_sketch.jpg{{!}}The rough sketch of the Type 5, detailing the modified engine and cooling system. Notice the differences between the hull shape of the picture between the in-game model. | + | File:Type_4-slash-5_sketch.jpg{{!}}The rough sketch of the possible Type 5 super-heavy tank, supposedly an improved modification of the Type 4, detailing the modified engine and cooling system. Notice the differences between the hull shape of the picture between the in-game model. | |
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| ? | + | Type 5 super-heavy tank is a speculated 2nd Japanese super-heavy tank design that succeeded the O-I. It's existence is debatable, as the only available information of the tank comes from some vague Soviet report of Japanese tanks. Because of this, it is possible that the Type 5 Heavy never even existed. | ||
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| ? | + | However, due to the very limited information, some parameters of the Type 5 Heavy are guaranteed to be inaccurate in-game: | ||
| ? | *Due to very limited information, | + | *The hull shape differs from the vague sketch drawn by Soviets. For instance, the drawing doesn't show hull cheeks, the upper front plate is completely unsloped, doesn't extend beyond the turret front, and the lower front section is also different, being more similar to that of the O-I. The general design of the in-game Type 5 Heavy is closer to that of the Chi-Ri. | |
| ? | *In-game description is somewhat inaccurate | + | *Due to very limited information, many specifics like top speed, weight and armor are all speculation. Armor in especial is most likely thicker in-game than what it actually was, done mostly due to balance purposes. | |
| ? | *The | + | *In-game description is somewhat inaccurate - the Type 5 Heavy's design is far too different for it to be a modification of the O-I. While somewhat similar, the suspension design, hull shape, turret and gun are all significantly different, and the tank has only one turret as opposed to the O-I's 4. | |
| ? | **The 15 | + | *The shape of the turret is slightly erroneous. As seen on both the drawing and the picture of the bunker turret, the front section of the in-game Type 5 turret is too short, while the rear section is too long. In addition, the in-game Type 5 turret lacks the elevated section at top of the turret, which is most presumably an armor plate. | |
| + | *The Type 5 didn't have the 15.2 cm gun it has in the game. While the exact gun model is unknown (most commonly assumed to be a 14 cm naval gun), the 15.2 cm/45 41st year type gun is clearly different to the gun of the sketch and picture of the bunker turret. | |||
| + | ** The 15.2 cm/45 41st year type gun had AP shells and no HESH shells, unlike the model in the game. | |||
| |Ref_references= | |Ref_references= | |||
Revision as of 12:28, 18 June 2019
- For the Japanese Tier VII Medium tank, see Type 5 Chi-Ri.
- For the Japanese Tier IV Light tank, see Type 5 Ke-Ho.
Type 5 Heavy
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[Client Values; Actual values in
6,100,000  Cost |
| 2900580 HP Hit Points |
| 151.1/16083.48/160 t Weight Limit |
- Commander
- Gunner
- Driver
- Radio Operator
- Loader
- Loader
| 13701370 hp Engine Power |
| 25/15 km/h Speed Limit |
| 2020 deg/s Traverse |
| 9.0716.41 hp/t Power/Wt Ratio |
| NoNo Pivot |
| // mm Hull Armor |
| 280/210/200280/210/200 mm Turret Armor |
HE/HE
AP//HE Shells |
0/6400/1200
0/0/905 Shell Cost |
| 900/900/680600/600/770 HP Damage |
| 75/192/252257/290/70 mm Penetration |
|
3 r/m ▲
3.51 r/m Standard Gun ▲ Rate of Fire Standard Gun |
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2700 ▲
Standard Gun ▼
Standard Gun ▲
2106 Standard Gun
▲
Standard Gun
▼
Standard Gun
▲ Damage Per Minute Standard Gun |
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0.47 m ▲
0.38 m With 50% Crew: 0.582 m ▲ Accuracy With 50% Crew: 0.471 m |
| 2.9 s 2.5 s Aim time |
| 1818 deg/s Turret Traverse |
| 360° Gun Arc |
| -10°/+20°-10°/+20° Elevation Arc |
| 4060 rounds Ammo Capacity |
| 2020 % Chance of Fire |
| 400 m 400 m View Range |
| 750 m 750 m Signal Range |
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The Type 5 Heavy is a Japanese tier 10 heavy tank.
The Type 5, also known as the Type 2605, was one of the variants of the O-I superheavy tank, developed during WWII. The vehicle was planned to be used for breaking through fortified enemy lines and for coastal defense.
Sometimes known as "Godzilla", Type 5, or <premptively censored>, the Type 5 Heavy is the final evolution of Japanese Super-Heavies. Its just massive as it seems: it has the second highest HP after Maus (2900), is even bigger, and has the thickest frontal armor of all heavy tanks in the game. Like all other Japanese heavies starting at tier 6, Type 5 Heavy has the "choice" of a 'traditional' gun or a howitzer that is able to crush everything in your path.
Unlike Type 4 Heavy, the Type 5 has armor that works. It will generally bounce stuff even if you don't mean to. Improvements include "frontal weakspots", and thicker side armor, that will allows you to laugh in the face of most tanks if you're at just a slight angle. It offers a massively improved survivability over the Type 4, and is a much more pleasant tank to play.
The Type 5 Heavy is rightfully considered a hard tank to beat, excelling at "reliably" damage dealer with every shot while also bouncing a few in return. It definitely deserves it status and most of the bad words attributed to it. Like other Japanese heavies, Type 5 Heavy is huge and slow, but still quick enough to get around. No real trades made for the gun and armor combination. Of course, like most superheavies it's "weak when surrounded", even more so because the damage output over time is limited. That doesn't matter when you hug a corner and peek when you're reloaded, of course, which is how 99% of games play out.
The Type 5 Heavy marks the end of its Japanese heavy line.
Modules / Available Equipment and Consumables
Modules
Guns
| Tier | Gun | Penetration (mm) |
Damage (HP) |
Rate of fire (rounds/minute) |
Dispersion (m/100m) |
Aiming time (s) |
Weight (kg) |
Price (  )
| |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| X | 14 cm/50 3rd Year Type | 257/290/70 | 600/600/770 | 3.51 | 0.38 | 2.5 | 5600 | 332000 | |
| X | 15 cm/45 41st Year Type | 75/192/252 | 900/900/680 | 3 | 0.47 | 2.9 | 6700 | 330000 |
Engines
| Tier | Engine | Engine Power (hp) |
Chance of Fire on Impact (%) |
Weight (kg) |
Price ( )
| |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| X | 2x Kawasaki Type 98 V-12 Kai (600) | 1370 | 20 | 1020 | 132000 |
Suspensions
| Tier | Suspension | Load Limit (т) |
Traverse Speed (gr/sec) |
Rmin | Weight (kg) |
Price ( )
| |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| X | Type 5 Heavy | 160 | 20 | B/2 | 40000 | 82500 |
Radios
| Tier | Radio | Signal Range (m) |
Weight (kg) |
Price ( )
| |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| X | Type 3 Ko | 750 | 560 | 54000 |
Compatible Equipment
Compatible Consumables
Player Opinion
Pros and Cons
Pros:
- Strong frontal armor with rather small weakspots that are resistant against most low tier vehicles. Even when unangled, Type 5 Heavy is almost immune to every standard AP ammunition (except tier 10 TDs)!
- 2nd highest HP pool in the game: 2900.
- Has very tough side armor, making it much more effective at sidescraping compared to other Japanese heavies.
- Unlike Type 4 Heavy, hull cheeks are no longer a weakspot, which further improves Type 5's ability to angle its armor, especially when combined with it's very good side armor.
- 15.2 cm naval gun has powerful High-Explosive, with 900 damage (below average for a 15.2cm howitzer though) with a premium HE that has 182 penetration, can penetrating weak-armored tank and deal serious module damage.
- 15.2 cm gun has very good shell velocity (850 m/s), and excellent gun handling for its gun type.
- Very good gun depression. (-10) at sides and (-8) at the front.
- Huge size and mass means that Type 5 can easily push other tanks and their wrecks around, facehug effectively and is so large that it can act as cover for smaller tanks and when destroyed as effective roadblock.
- Unmatched fear factor due to its massive armor and ability to oneshot some tanks. Able to stop a flank by itself.
- Huge ammo capacity on both guns, will never run out of ammo on battle.
Cons:
- Biggest tier 10 in the game; easy to hit even at long range.
- Armor is quite flat, which makes it vulnerable to tier 10 TDs and premium ammo when not angled; high armor thickness with lack of weakspots encourages usage of premium ammo (and players hate it).
- 14 cm gun its nearly useless. Has poor penetration on standard rounds and very poor on it's premium rounds.
- Weak P/W ratio and low top speed.
- Huge ammorack is easily damaged from side (altought very durable).
- Large cupola, while not very weak, is quite easy to hit and commander can easily be knocked down if cupola is penetrated.
- Top Nº1 in the most wanted (and hated) list. Attracts a massively attention once spotted, you'll be perma-stunned almost all the battle.
Performance
Type 5 Heavy looks very similar to Type 4 Heavy, but in reality, it is huge improvement over it. Most notable changes are much more reliable and effective armor profile, huge HP increase (+850), slightly better mobility, better gun stats and lower engine deck which makes its shiloutte slightly smaller.
Like all Japanese heavies, Type 5 lacks true frontal weak point. If enemies are firing standard ammo, Type 5 can pretty much laugh at them, except for some tier 10 TDs. While peeking from corner is still reliable and easy way due to lack of lower plate weakpoint, Type 5 can now also sidescrape very effectively due to much better side armor compared to Type 4 Heavy and hull cheeks. The Type 5 also can angle its turret when it is reloading, like Maus and E 100, although it is not recommended to angle the turret due to pre-angled turret sides. Type 5 can go hulldown due to it's tall profile and -10 degrees of gun depression, but the turret is huge and flat and may be an easy target if sat on a ridge. Type 5 also has poor reverse speed unlike the Maus or E 100, so getting shot is likely. Keep in mind that the 15.2 cm gun has "only" got -8 of gun depression at the front.
Type 5 Heavy is one of only few tier 10 tanks with two alternative gun choices. Keep in mind that the 15.2 cm has almost as good reload as the 14 cm, while not having to penetrate the target (which is problematic for the 14 cm gun due to poor penetration and accuracy). Because the premium HE shells of the 15.2 cm gun also does almost as much damage as the 14 cm gun can with non-penetrating hits (again, with almost as good reload), the 15.2 cm is way superior option to the 14 cm and there is no real excuse to use the 14 cm gun, especially if the player can afford to fire premium HE.
With 15.2cm gun, Type 5 doesn't need to hit weakspots, making the tank the most noob-friendly tier 10 to play. However, aiming can still do major impact due to HE mechanics; for example, shooting Maus at upper glacis wont do much damage, but shooting it at turret cheeks will be significantly more effective as the HE will splash into the hull roof, doing much more damage. Due to huge potential damage (900 damage, 75 penetration / 900 damage, 182 penetration), it is recommended to focus on poorly armored targets to maximize damage. Keep on mind that premium HE is exactly the same as regular HE except it has 107 higher penetration for higher ammo cost (someone said pay to win), so it is recommended to fire premium HE if you have premium account and some premium tanks to afford it.
Thanks to Type 5's massive size (even bigger than the Maus!) and 25kph top speed, Type 5 is juicy target for artillery. Try to stay in cover from artillery when possible. Also, try to avoid going anywhere without allies. Type 5 which is left alone is easy target for more mobile tanks. Try to also avoid tanks getting into your sides, since The Type is so tall that some tanks can avoid it's gun despite the great -10 degree depression. Even 1 tank with you is better than nothing and generally should be enough to save you from that kind of trouble. Try to keep yourself close to buildings and other obstacles, so sidehugging is harder.
After all, and for all the explained reasons, the Type 5 its considered by the majority of the comunity as one of the most(if not the most)broken tanks in the game.
Early Research
Unlike most other tier 10s, Type 5 Heavy doesnt come out as elited if you havent researched 14cm gun on Type 4 Heavy (after update 1.5). If that is the case, research the gun and Type 5 Heavy will be elited. Alternatively you can use 15.2cm gun if you want.
Suggested Equipment
Gallery
Historical Info
According to a vague report found from Soviet archives, the Type 5 had 35 percent smaller engine compartment compared to the Type 4, but retains the same type of engine, resulting in a very cramped cooler design. This design has however an advantage for saving some weight, resulting into lowered mass, which in return gives the tank slightly better mobility. Additionally, the reduced weight could possibly allow the armor of the vehicle to be increased even further without increasing the total mass of the original Type 4. Four radiator blocks are shifted towards the rear, and, along with the separate oil cooler, are cooled with one many-bladed fan, connected to the main reductor by a crankshaft, passing between engines. Air is gathered through vertical grilles in the engine compartment, passes through vertical radiators, and is released behind the tank. If the fan breaks, the air will be partially circulated with exhaust fumes, achieved by a nozzle collector on each engine.
Not much is known about the Type 5. It presumably had the same armament as the Type 4, believed to be a 14 cm naval gun. Just like it, many details like armor, speed, engine type and so on are unknown. Even if the Type 5 existed as a project, it presumably remained on papers due to Japan losing the war.
It is important to note that Japanese sources have absolutely no information of another super-heavy tank project aside from the O-I being developed. It is also important to keep in mind that a lot of Japanese tank-related documents were lost after the war, however. The available information regarding the Type 4/5 super-heavy tanks are far too limited, and whether the tanks actually existed or not remains debatable.
Historical Gallery
Historical Accuracy Errata
Type 5 super-heavy tank is a speculated 2nd Japanese super-heavy tank design that succeeded the O-I. It's existence is debatable, as the only available information of the tank comes from some vague Soviet report of Japanese tanks. Because of this, it is possible that the Type 5 Heavy never even existed.
However, due to the very limited information, some parameters of the Type 5 Heavy are guaranteed to be inaccurate in-game:
- The hull shape differs from the vague sketch drawn by Soviets. For instance, the drawing doesn't show hull cheeks, the upper front plate is completely unsloped, doesn't extend beyond the turret front, and the lower front section is also different, being more similar to that of the O-I. The general design of the in-game Type 5 Heavy is closer to that of the Chi-Ri.
- Due to very limited information, many specifics like top speed, weight and armor are all speculation. Armor in especial is most likely thicker in-game than what it actually was, done mostly due to balance purposes.
- In-game description is somewhat inaccurate - the Type 5 Heavy's design is far too different for it to be a modification of the O-I. While somewhat similar, the suspension design, hull shape, turret and gun are all significantly different, and the tank has only one turret as opposed to the O-I's 4.
- The shape of the turret is slightly erroneous. As seen on both the drawing and the picture of the bunker turret, the front section of the in-game Type 5 turret is too short, while the rear section is too long. In addition, the in-game Type 5 turret lacks the elevated section at top of the turret, which is most presumably an armor plate.
- The Type 5 didn't have the 15.2 cm gun it has in the game. While the exact gun model is unknown (most commonly assumed to be a 14 cm naval gun), the 15.2 cm/45 41st year type gun is clearly different to the gun of the sketch and picture of the bunker turret.
- The 15.2 cm/45 41st year type gun had AP shells and no HESH shells, unlike the model in the game.
Sources and External Links
| Light Tanks | IRenault Otsu • IIType 95 Ha-Go • IIType 97 Te-Ke • IIIType 97 Chi-Ha • IIIType 98 Ke-Ni • IVType 5 Ke-Ho |
| Medium Tanks | IIChi-Ni • IIType 89 I-Go/Chi-Ro • IVType 1 Chi-He • VType 3 Chi-Nu • VType 3 Chi-Nu Kai • VIType 4 Chi-To • VIIType 5 Chi-Ri • VIIISTA-1 • VIIISTA-2 • IXType 61 • XSTB-1 |
| Heavy Tanks | IIIType 91 Heavy • IVType 95 Heavy • VO-I Experimental • VIHeavy Tank No. VI • VIO-I • VIIO-Ni • VIIIO-Ho • IXType 4 Heavy • XType 5 Heavy |
| Tank Destroyers | |
| Self-Propelled Artillery |
