Pz.Kpfw. IV Ausf. H
vulnerabilities section outdated
so, my deletion has been reverted. no problem, i can explain why i did that.
The second turret is not heavily armored and will not protect you from higher tiers.
- this is just a "not" before a statement that has been true with the old (pre-change) pz4. it's meaningless since all tier 5 mediums have relativly low turret armor and none does protect from higher tiers.
As with most German tanks, the lower glacis plate is a vulnerable spot, which can be penetrated to damage the engine.
- and so are most other tier 5 mediums too. additionally, the pz4 has only little turret armor, mediocre armor (= penned by many tier 4) in the frontal hull and nearly no armor in the lower hull. overall, the armor is average for a tier 5 medium since it can be be penetrated by most enemies you encounter with the pz4, especially since it is not angled. you could recommend that players should shoot into the turret, which is bigger and harder to hide than the lower glacis, but the best advice for fighting a pz4 with lower tier tanks with less than 80 pen is still movement and shooting in the sides.
When driving this vehicle, hide the lower glacis whenever possible
- this is just purely outdated, as stated above.
The PzKpfw IV suffers from low hit points as a medium, and can be quickly eliminated
- it has in fact a bigger hitpoint pool than most (non-premium) tier 5 mediums. the quick death is usual in tier 5 mediums, since they all have low hitpoints but high dpm. COMMENT: High DPM is not the case with PzIV, it has the worst DPM, unless you use the 105mm and expect every hit to have full damage.
but its fire rate and range mean it can often quickly eliminate you
- this is not a vulnerability and it has been said with the performance panel
That said, the hull armour is easily penetrable
- yes. and so is most mediums' hull armor.
On the sides and rear, it is weak enough that (in theory) a Tier I can penetrate it.
- has been stated in the performance section. and also the shermans or the t-34 sides are weak against most enemies they encounter.
The ammo rack is located on the back of the turret and the side of the chassis, slightly forward from halfway. The rear hatch of the turret is a weak spot, along with the commanders cupola, the drivers view slot and the machine gun. The fuel tank hitbox is located further back in the chassis, at the very rear on both sides.
- you dont need to shoot at weakspots at this tank. it isnt that hull-down monster that it once was anymore.
so, the vulnerabilities section states mostly outdated stuff or stuff that is common within medium tanks at this tier. either you respond to my arguments or i will delete it again in a few days. --Killswitch247 16:22, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- and about your change in the introduction: the pz4 with a 105mm gun is more agile than the m4 sherman with the 105mm. it is more than 5 tons lighter and has a far better power/weight ratio. you can even feel that while playing. --Killswitch247 16:24, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Fair enough, go ahead and delete it.
The purpose was to get new players who check out the wiki to know what to expect with this tank, let's face it, no experienced player go to the wiki and read the text to know more.
M4 still has more traverse speed and power to weight ratio doesn't have the effect it is believed to have to have. M4 is, in my opinion much more mobile. PzIV also seems to be affected by boggy ground more. --JamesBond 18:33, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- good. i will add a few words about its very vulnerable sides and turret to the main text and delete the old vulnerabilities section. i usually try to improve the articles of the tanks i play with with new content, but this section is just not rescuable.
- about the dpm comparision: i compared it to higher tier tanks. the usual tier 5 medium has 440-460 health and there is usually something between 1350 and 2300 dpm flying around. a tier 5 medium dies in a 1 vs 1 with another tier 5 usually within 10-20 seconds, whereas a tier 7 or 8 medium survives longer when it's getting shot by a evenly tiered enemy. the original writer of that passage probably compared the pz4's survivability with the then also very popular old-KV tank, and then it'S definitely lower. but you're right, the pz4 has comparably low dpm, only undercut by the pz3/4.
- about the sherman comparision: yes it's not much, and on muddy ground the m4 is even a little bit faster. but i prefer to use the 105 mm in cities wherever possible, so that the pz4 is better for me. overall: let's call it a draw.
- mfg, Killswitch247 02:46, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
