T7 Combat Car

== General Questions Regarding Edits ==

So I've got a few questions/comments regarding the edits made.
* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_and_an#Distinction_between_a_and_an The proper article to use before "H35" is actually "an", since "H35" starts with a vowel sound.]  I changed it back (and changed the sentence a bit to sound less awkward).
* I noticed every instance of "Tier 2" was replaced with "tier II", however the description at the top refers to the tank as a "tier 2" tank.  What's the standard for referring to tanks by tier, roman numerals or numbers (and is use of a number in the description a mistake)?
* Is there any reason why the T7's ammo capacity, limited range, and turret traverse speed shouldn't be mentioned in the pros and cons?  I feel like these are fairly important to the way it plays.
* I was going to add a short comparative section comparing the T7 to the light VIC (since the two are often compared due to their similarities and close release dates).  Yay or nay (would this be superfluous)?
* I changed a few other things to sound better and fixed a few more grammar mistakes.
[[User:Super_Noodle:na|Super_Noodle:na]] ([[User talk:Super_Noodle:na|talk]]) 04:29, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

:Most of this can be laid on Misfire and my shoulders - we both have similar standards to edits and we're working on finalizing (well, Misfire is at least) a style guide, in which most of the items you've addressed are covered. 

:You're probably right on the H35 issue so I won't dispute it, but at this point for author edits we're going to roman numerals for tiers, partly because it better matches the style ingame (garage, tech tree, etc) and partly because it allows the article to take on a slightly more formal tone. The Arabic numerals in some sections like the one you refer to are template sections and we probably should look into changing that but it's not priority. 

:Pros/cons is getting cracked down on pretty hard because it's a favorite driveby edit stop, and resultingly can turn into an absolute disaster (see some old edits of the T95 if you want an idea of just how redundant they can get). This is why we're getting way more stringent on pros/cons, and aiming for smaller pros/cons sections. You're probably right that ammo capacity, range issues, and traverse speed are important to how the tank plays, but at the same time how many of those are *unique* to that tank's playstyle? With pros/cons, when it comes to intangibles like ammo capacity and range, it has to be truly limiting and standout to make pros/cons now. Now, if you feel that something is truly standout compared to its peers and can back it up, then yeah it belongs in pros/cons.

:The thing is, even if it doesn't make pros/cons, pros/cons is a summary anyways, and you wouldn't probably have been able to properly express the total contribution of those characteristics in it anyways. Instead, spend time in the performance section expounding the contributions and how to use them as much as you think it deserves. Likewise, if you want to compare to another tank, this will also be the place to do it. At the same time, try to write the guide for players that probably don't have both tanks, instead of the other way around. 

:We're not grammar tyrants, but we are cracking down on some things in ways that will seem different from what you've come to expect from the wiki staff before, so we understand if you're a bit surprised by what's coming up reroll on admin edits.

:Hope this helps. Further questions/comments/accusations I don't know what I'm doing? [[User:ForcestormX:na|ForcestormX:na]] ([[User talk:ForcestormX:na|talk]]) 04:43, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

::With regards to the pros/cons; I can see why the ammo capacity might not make the cut (it's not something that really has to be thought about in battle), but things like the turret traverse speed and limited range regularly factor in to how the tank is played (these were things that, in my experiences with the T7 at least, came up fairly often).  I wanted to include them not only for this reason, but because I felt that while I could include them in the performance summary I didn't want to make it too long.  In other words, I felt these things were important to know if you're trying to figure out how to play the tank, but not complicated or quite important enough to need further elaboration.  Let me know what you think, and I'll keep it in mind for future edits.

::As for the T7 vs VIC comparison, it was just going to be another short (maybe a few sentences) paragraph I'd tack on to the end.  Like I said, the two are often paired together and I thought it'd be important to emphasize that while the two tanks are often referred to together, one has to take different slightly approaches when driving or engaging a T7 as opposed doing so with a VIC.  I'll get to writing that bit later.

::Also feel free to crack down on grammar all you want.  I've got this wonderful habit where I tend to only notice my grammatical mistakes after I've already submitted them.  [[User:Super_Noodle:na|Super_Noodle:na]] ([[User talk:Super_Noodle:na|talk]]) 06:14, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

:::Well, performance is the one that should be longer. Pros/cons isn't so much things you should keep in mind, more things you should be aware of when you're trying to decide whether to buy it (if that helps with the mental picture any) - and that's where the departure is, because previously pros/cons was things you should keep in mind.

:::Actually, it might help if you tack the comparison of the two tanks under the heading <nowiki>"====Compared to Similar Tanks===="</nowiki>, because then you'd have a separate section to work with and it'd be less confusing. Tbh, some performance sections would benefit from more headers anyways.

:::That help? [[User:ForcestormX:na|ForcestormX:na]] ([[User talk:ForcestormX:na|talk]]) 13:39, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

::::Wait, so the H in Hotchkiss is silent, then? I've been pronouncing it wrong the whole time. As for pros and cons, I see it as a very short summary of the tank's most exceptional qualities, good and bad, before you move on to the longer, more detailed performance section. Range I cut because it's a problem common to all low tier autocannons, not just that one. Turret traverse, while it may be annoying, isn't critical to the tank's playstyle in my experience, and isn't terrible, just poor. (I considered cutting the below average view range for the same reason, but forgot to check it.) About the comparisions: I thought we'd decided at some point that we didn't want comparisons in performance sections. It's entirely possible that I'm wrong, though. --[[User:Misfire42:na|Misfire42]] [[User Talk:Misfire42:na|(talk)]] 13:58, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

:::::We've never talked about performance section, ironically enough, unless it was in the context of the pros/cons discussion and the implied thought just went over my head. Wouldn't surprise me. [[User:ForcestormX:na|ForcestormX:na]] ([[User talk:ForcestormX:na|talk]]) 14:12, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

::::::It may have been before the shutdown, or I may just be misremembering it. Who knows. --[[User:Misfire42:na|Misfire42]] [[User Talk:Misfire42:na|(talk)]] 14:24, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

:::::The "H" in Hotchkiss isn't silent.  The problem is that you're reading the code.
:::::Code says: "penetrating an <nowiki>[[Hotchkiss H35|H35]]</nowiki>"
:::::Generated text says: "penetrating an H35"
:::::[[User:Super_Noodle:na|Super_Noodle:na]] ([[User talk:Super_Noodle:na|talk]]) 17:13, 7 August 2014 (UTC)