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Lorraine 155 mle. 50

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France | SPG | Tier VII
Battle Tier
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[Client Values; Actual values in
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1,420,000  Credits Cost
34068 HP Hit Points
29.65/3018.51/32 t Weight Limit
Crew
  1. Commander
  2. Gunner
  3. Driver
  4. Radio Operator
  5. Loader
Mobility
650700 hp Engine Power
60/14 km/h Speed Limit
2730 deg/s Traverse
21.9237.82 hp/t Power/Wt Ratio
YesYes Pivot
Armor
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Armament







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1000/1140/1090
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630/770/420630/770/420 HP Damage
39/49/19440/50/230 mm Penetration



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2.19 r/m 
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Standard Gun

Reload Times
Nominal: 27.4 s
50% Crew: 33.94 s
75% Crew: 29.64 s
100% Crew: 26.27 s
Rammer: 23.64 s
Vents: 25.69 s
Both: 23.12 s
Both and BiA: 22.62 s
Both and Max Crew %: 21.68 s

See Crew, Consumables, or Equipment for more information.



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2.01 r/m 
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Standard Gun

Reload Times
Nominal: 29.8 s
50% Crew: 36.92 s
75% Crew: 32.23 s
100% Crew: 28.57 s
Rammer: 25.71 s
Vents: 27.94 s
Both: 25.15 s
Both and BiA: 24.6 s
Both and Max Crew %: 23.58 s

See Crew, Consumables, or Equipment for more information.
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1379.7
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Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 1 (630 Damage):
With wholly penetrating hits

Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 1379.7
50% Crew: 1115.1
75% Crew: 1272.6
100% Crew: 1436.4
100% Crew
Vents: 1467.9
Rammer: 1593.9
Both: 1631.7
Both and BiA: 1669.5
Both and Max Crew %: 1738.8

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 2009.7
50% Crew: 1745.1
75% Crew: 1902.6
100% Crew: 2066.4
100% Crew
Rammer: 2223.9
Vents: 2097.9
Both: 2261.7
Both and BiA: 2299.5
Both and Max Crew %: 2368.8

See here, here, or here for more information.
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Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 2 (770 Damage):
With wholly penetrating hits

Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 1686.3
50% Crew: 1362.9
75% Crew: 1555.4
100% Crew: 1755.6
100% Crew
Vents: 1794.1
Rammer: 1948.1
Both: 1994.3
Both and BiA: 2040.5
Both and Max Crew %: 2125.2

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 2456.3
50% Crew: 2132.9
75% Crew: 2325.4
100% Crew: 2525.6
100% Crew
Rammer: 2718.1
Vents: 2564.1
Both: 2764.3
Both and BiA: 2810.5
Both and Max Crew %: 2895.2

See here, here, or here for more information.
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Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 3 (420 Damage):


Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 919.8
50% Crew: 743.4
75% Crew: 848.4
100% Crew: 957.6
100% Crew
Vents: 978.6
Rammer: 1062.6
Both: 1087.8
Both and BiA: 1113
Both and Max Crew %: 1159.2

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 1339.8
50% Crew: 1163.4
75% Crew: 1268.4
100% Crew: 1377.6
100% Crew
Rammer: 1482.6
Vents: 1398.6
Both: 1507.8
Both and BiA: 1533
Both and Max Crew %: 1579.2

See here, here, or here for more information.






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1266.3
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Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 1 (630 Damage):
With wholly penetrating hits

Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 1266.3
50% Crew: 1020.6
75% Crew: 1171.8
100% Crew: 1323
100% Crew
Vents: 1354.5
Rammer: 1467.9
Both: 1505.7
Both and BiA: 1537.2
Both and Max Crew %: 1600.2

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 1896.3
50% Crew: 1650.6
75% Crew: 1801.8
100% Crew: 1953
100% Crew
Rammer: 2097.9
Vents: 1984.5
Both: 2135.7
Both and BiA: 2167.2
Both and Max Crew %: 2230.2

See here, here, or here for more information.
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Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 2 (770 Damage):
With wholly penetrating hits

Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 1547.7
50% Crew: 1247.4
75% Crew: 1432.2
100% Crew: 1617
100% Crew
Vents: 1655.5
Rammer: 1794.1
Both: 1840.3
Both and BiA: 1878.8
Both and Max Crew %: 1955.8

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 2317.7
50% Crew: 2017.4
75% Crew: 2202.2
100% Crew: 2387
100% Crew
Rammer: 2564.1
Vents: 2425.5
Both: 2610.3
Both and BiA: 2648.8
Both and Max Crew %: 2725.8

See here, here, or here for more information.
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Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 3 (420 Damage):


Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 844.2
50% Crew: 680.4
75% Crew: 781.2
100% Crew: 882
100% Crew
Vents: 903
Rammer: 978.6
Both: 1003.8
Both and BiA: 1024.8
Both and Max Crew %: 1066.8

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 1264.2
50% Crew: 1100.4
75% Crew: 1201.2
100% Crew: 1302
100% Crew
Rammer: 1398.6
Vents: 1323
Both: 1423.8
Both and BiA: 1444.8
Both and Max Crew %: 1486.8

See here, here, or here for more information.
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0.71 m 
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With 50% Crew: 0.88 m
With 75% Crew: 0.768 m
With 100% Crew: 0.681 m
With BiA: 0.666 m
With BiA and Vents: 0.651 m
Maximum possible: 0.624 m

For more details, see Crew


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0.69 m 
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With 50% Crew: 0.855 m
With 75% Crew: 0.746 m
With 100% Crew: 0.662 m
With BiA: 0.647 m
With BiA and Vents: 0.633 m
Maximum possible: 0.607 m

For more details, see Crew
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5.2 s 
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With 50% Crew: 6.442 s
With 75% Crew: 5.625 s
With 100% Crew: 4.986 s
With GLD: 4.533 s
With BiA: 4.876 s
With BiA and Vents: 4.77 s
With both and GLD: 4.337 s
Maximum possible: 4.157 s

For more details, see Crew or Equipment


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5 s 
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With 50% Crew: 6.194 s
With 75% Crew: 5.408 s
With 100% Crew: 4.794 s
With GLD: 4.358 s
With BiA: 4.689 s
With BiA and Vents: 4.587 s
With both and GLD: 4.17 s
Maximum possible: 3.997 s

For more details, see Crew or Equipment
 Aim time
1414 deg/s Gun Traverse Speed
24° Gun Arc
-0°/+45°-0°/+45° Elevation Arc
2828 rounds Ammo Capacity
General
2020 % Chance of Fire






270 m 
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With 50% Crew: 212.1 m
With 75% Crew: 241.1 m
With 100% Crew: 270 m
With Recon and Situational Awareness: 283.7 m
With Coated Optics: 297 m
With Binocular Telescope: 337.5 m
Maximum possible: 386.5 m

For more details, see Skills or Equipment






270 m 
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With 50% Crew: 212.1 m
With 75% Crew: 241.1 m
With 100% Crew: 270 m
With Recon and Situational Awareness: 283.7 m
With Coated Optics: 297 m
With Binocular Telescope: 337.5 m
Maximum possible: 386.5 m

For more details, see Skills or Equipment
 View Range


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400 m 
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With 50% Crew: 322.9 m
With 75% Crew: 369.8 m
With 100% Crew: 417.2 m
With 100% Signal Boost: 480 m
When affected by 100% Relaying: 440 m
Maximum possible: 600.5 m

For more details, see Skills or Equipment


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750 m 
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With 50% Crew: 605.4 m
With 75% Crew: 693.4 m
With 100% Crew: 782.2 m
With 100% Signal Boost: 900 m
When affected by 100% Relaying: 825 m
Maximum possible: 1125.9 m

For more details, see Skills or Equipment
 Signal Range
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AMX 13 F3 AM
Lorraine 155 mle. 50
Lorraine 155 mle. 51


VII

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The Lorraine 155 mle. 50 is a French tier 7 self-propelled gun.

Developed in France after the war on the basis of the experimental Lorraine 40 t. The vehicle passed trials in 1950, but never entered mass production or saw service.

The Lorraine 155 mle. 50 leads to the Lorraine 155 mle. 51.

Modules / Available Equipment and Consumables

Modules

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Guns

Tier Gun Penetration
(mm) 		Damage
(HP) 		Rate of fire
(rounds/minute) 		Dispersion
(m/100m) 		Aiming time
(s) 		Weight
(kg) 		Price
(Credits)

VI Canon de 155 mm de 33 calibres 39/49/194 630/770/420 2.19 0.71 5.2 2675 65000
VII Obusier de 155 mm mle. 1950 40/50/230 630/770/420 2.01 0.69 5 2675 96000

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Engines

Tier Engine Engine Power
(hp) 		Chance of Fire on Impact
(%) 		Weight
(kg) 		Price
(Credits)

VII Maybach HL 210 TRM P30 650 20 850 35500
VIII Maybach HL 230 TRM P30 700 20 1200 54000

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Suspensions

Tier Suspension Load Limit
(т) 		Traverse Speed
(gr/sec) 		Rmin Weight
(kg) 		Price
(Credits)

VI Lorraine 155 mle. 50 30 27 0 14000 14600
VII Lorraine 155 mle. 50 bis 32 30 0 14000 21000

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Radios

Tier Radio Signal Range
(m) 		Weight
(kg) 		Price
(Credits)

X SCR-528 Fr 750 80 54000
VI SCR 508 400 100 21600

Compatible Equipment

Low Noise Exhaust System Class 2 Medium Spall Liner Camouflage Net Class 2 Coated Optics Class 2 Experimental Optics Wear-Resistant Gun Laying Drive Improved Configuration Innovative Loading System Enhanced Gun Laying Drive Class 2 Modified Configuration Class 2 Improved Rotation Mechanism Class 2 Binocular Telescope Class 2 Gun Rammer Class 2 Turbocharger Class 2 

Compatible Consumables

Automatic Fire Extinguisher Natural Cover Optical Calibration Aim Tuning Experienced Firefighters 100-octane Gasoline 105-octane Gasoline Manual Fire Extinguisher Strong Coffee Pre-Battle Maintenance Large First Aid Kit Large Repair Kit Duty Comes First Shell Organizer Orderly Ammo Rack Focus on Target Increased Focus Small First Aid Kit Small Repair Kit Gearbox Intricacy Steady Hand Combat Course 


Player Opinion

Pros and Cons

Pros:

- Gun range: 1350 m for both available guns

- Good acceleration

- Nice top speed, maintainable on a flat road

- Quick aim time

- Split best signal range for the tier


Cons:

- Low accuracy an rate of fire for the guns' alpha and caliber

- No gun depression, arty-standard reticle bloom combined with high speed makes self-defense at short range impossible

- Instead of a second Loader (like its predecessor and successor) it needs a Radio Operator

- Rather low shell trajectory makes obstacles interfere

- Terrible firepower for its tier


Performance

This arty sacrifices a lot of firepower for mobility better than all but the fastest mediums. Since you use arty's firepower 90% of the time and 1% for mobility, this is considered one of the worst arty within its tier


Early Research

- The SCR 528F radio carries over from the AMX 13 F3 AM. Mount it immediately

- Research the Lorraine 155 mle. 50 bis Suspension, followed by the Obusier de 155 mm mle. 1950 gun

- Research the Maybach HL 230 TRM P30 engine last, as the performance gain is minimal


Suggested Equipment


Artillery Shell Rammer Enhanced Gun Laying Drive Camouflage Net 


Documented Tank and Crew Builds

Instead of retraining the second loader from the AMX 13 F3 AM as your radio operator, it is best to keep him in barracks. You'll need him again for the Lorraine 155 54.



Gallery

Historical Info

Lorraine 155 mm model 1950

In 1950, Lorraine started the development of its own self-propelled gun. Lorraine’s engineers proposed two different concepts on the same chassis, although at certain point of the development even a wheeled chassis was considered as an alternative to the tracked one. Official names of the prototypes were “1a” (model 1950) and “2a” (model 1951). The main armament of both prototypes was 155 mm howitzer. First prototype, marked as “model 1950” had its howitzer mounted in the centrally placed casemate, while the “model 1951” had the structure pushed to the front of the veichle. Early versions had a Talbot made engine, but by the year 1951 a Maybach engine was installed.

Trials revealed a number of serious design flaws, so in 1954 a model with a fully rotatable turret was considered. As at the time Batignolles Chatillon was already involved in development of similar project, Lorraine’s ideas were rejected, and all further development was canceled.



Specifications:

Weight: 30.30 tons

Dimensions: L: 7,96 m, W: 3,30 m, H: 2,77 m

Ground clearance: 0.40 m

Armament: one 155 mm howitzer (28 rounds) and one 20 mm (250 rounds) gun for self defense

Engine: Engine Maybach HL 230 with 685 hp

Maximum speed: 62 km/h


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