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SU-5

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Battle Tier
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[Client Values; Actual values in
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147,000  Credits Cost
160160 HP Hit Points
10.3/10.4910.35/12.5 t Weight Limit
Crew
  1. Commander (Radio Operator)
  2. Gunner
  3. Driver
  4. Loader
  5. Loader
Mobility
90130 hp Engine Power
30/8 km/h Speed Limit
2426 deg/s Traverse
8.7412.56 hp/t Power/Wt Ratio
YesYes Pivot
Armor
15/15/15 mm Hull Armor
Armament







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Shell Cost
180//400// HP Damage
21//35// mm Penetration



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10 r/m 

Standard Gun

Reload Times
Nominal: 6 s
50% Crew: 7.43 s
75% Crew: 6.49 s
100% Crew: 5.75 s
Rammer: 5.18 s
Vents: 5.62 s
Both: 5.06 s
Both and BiA: 4.95 s
Both and Max Crew %: 4.75 s

See Crew, Consumables, or Equipment for more information.



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3.53 r/m 

Standard Gun

Reload Times
Nominal: 17 s
50% Crew: 21.06 s
75% Crew: 18.39 s
100% Crew: 16.3 s
Rammer: 14.67 s
Vents: 15.94 s
Both: 14.35 s
Both and BiA: 14.04 s
Both and Max Crew %: 13.45 s

See Crew, Consumables, or Equipment for more information.
Rate of Fire






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1783.8

Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 1 (180 Damage):
With wholly penetrating hits

Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 1783.8
50% Crew: 1440
75% Crew: 1648.8
100% Crew: 1861.2
100% Crew
Vents: 1902.6
Rammer: 2068.2
Both: 2115
Both and BiA: 2161.8
Both and Max Crew %: 2255.4

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 1963.8
50% Crew: 1620
75% Crew: 1828.8
100% Crew: 2041.2
100% Crew
Rammer: 2248.2
Vents: 2082.6
Both: 2295
Both and BiA: 2341.8
Both and Max Crew %: 2435.4

See here, here, or here for more information.






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1412

Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 1 (400 Damage):
With wholly penetrating hits

Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 1412
50% Crew: 1140
75% Crew: 1304
100% Crew: 1472
100% Crew
Vents: 1504
Rammer: 1636
Both: 1672
Both and BiA: 1708
Both and Max Crew %: 1784

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 1812
50% Crew: 1540
75% Crew: 1704
100% Crew: 1872
100% Crew
Rammer: 2036
Vents: 1904
Both: 2072
Both and BiA: 2108
Both and Max Crew %: 2184

See here, here, or here for more information.
Damage Per Minute


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0.73 m 

With 50% Crew: 0.904 m
With 75% Crew: 0.79 m
With 100% Crew: 0.7 m
With BiA: 0.685 m
With BiA and Vents: 0.67 m
Maximum possible: 0.642 m

For more details, see Crew


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0.88 m 

With 50% Crew: 1.09 m
With 75% Crew: 0.952 m
With 100% Crew: 0.844 m
With BiA: 0.825 m
With BiA and Vents: 0.807 m
Maximum possible: 0.774 m

For more details, see Crew
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4.5 s 

With 50% Crew: 5.575 s
With 75% Crew: 4.867 s
With 100% Crew: 4.315 s
With GLD: 3.923 s
With BiA: 4.22 s
With BiA and Vents: 4.128 s
With both and GLD: 3.753 s
Maximum possible: 3.597 s

For more details, see Crew or Equipment


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6.5 s 

With 50% Crew: 8.052 s
With 75% Crew: 7.031 s
With 100% Crew: 6.232 s
With GLD: 5.666 s
With BiA: 6.095 s
With BiA and Vents: 5.963 s
With both and GLD: 5.421 s
Maximum possible: 5.196 s

For more details, see Crew or Equipment
Aim time
1616 deg/s Gun Traverse Speed
12° Gun Arc
-5°/+60°-0°/+72° Elevation Arc
4812 rounds Ammo Capacity
General
2020 % Chance of Fire






250 m 

With 50% Crew: 196.4 m
With 75% Crew: 223.2 m
With 100% Crew: 250 m
With Recon and Situational Awareness: 262.7 m
With Coated Optics: 275 m
With Binocular Telescope: 312.5 m
Maximum possible: 357.9 m

For more details, see Skills or Equipment






250 m 

With 50% Crew: 196.4 m
With 75% Crew: 223.2 m
With 100% Crew: 250 m
With Recon and Situational Awareness: 262.7 m
With Coated Optics: 275 m
With Binocular Telescope: 312.5 m
Maximum possible: 357.9 m

For more details, see Skills or Equipment
View Range


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300 m 

With 50% Crew: 235.7 m
With 75% Crew: 267.9 m
With 100% Crew: 300 m
With 100% Signal Boost: 360 m
When affected by 100% Relaying: 330 m
Maximum possible: 431.7 m

For more details, see Skills or Equipment


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615 m 

With 50% Crew: 483.2 m
With 75% Crew: 549.2 m
With 100% Crew: 615 m
With 100% Signal Boost: 738 m
When affected by 100% Relaying: 676.5 m
Maximum possible: 884.9 m

For more details, see Skills or Equipment
Signal Range
Values are Stock - click for Top


IV

147000

The SU-5 is a Soviet tier 4 self-propelled gun.

A "Small Triplex" light self-propelled gun. Prototypes were developed and put through trials in 1934, and participated in a parade on Red Square. The vehicle never saw mass production.

It can be considered as the worst of the whole USSR branch if in the hand of a low-skilled player, but it is actually much better than its predecessor SU-26 due to its 3rd weapon upgrades, the 152mm mortar NM mod. 1931, a lethal weapon conbining huge alpha damage with incredible penetration value and explosion radius, as well as a ridiculously high vertical shell arc, best of all tier IV SPGs, even better than many tier V ones. However, the 152mm mortar has two significant disadvantage: very short range and low ammo count. Stock, it starts with the underpowered 76mm Howitzer. Prior to 8.6, you could have spent the effort to get the 122mm howitzer with the SU-26 and thus, can start with that. Considering that the 122mm was removed from the SU-26, however, this would perhaps make the grind somewhat more difficult. Some players even prefer the 122mm howitzer to the 152mm mortar, because of its higher ammo count, and also it's increased rate of fire.

The SU-5 leads to the SU-122A.

Modules / Available Equipment and Consumables

Modules

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Guns

Tier Gun Penetration
(mm)
Damage
(HP)
Rate of fire
(rounds/minute)
Dispersion
(m/100m)
Aiming time
(s)
Weight
(kg)
Price
(Credits)

II 76 mm Gun mod. 1902/30 30 clb 21 180 10 0.73 4.5 389 4090
IV 122 mm Howitzer mod. 1910/1930 30/30 300/420 3.87 0.84 6.5 425 35000
V 152 mm Mortar NM mod. 1931 35 400 3.53 0.88 6.5 425 48360
III 76 mm Gun mod. 1902/30 40 clb 21 180 10 0.71 4.5 389 8050

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Engines

Tier Engine Engine Power
(hp)
Chance of Fire on Impact
(%)
Weight
(kg)
Price
(Credits)

I T-26 90 20 545 770
II T-26M 100 20 545 1230
II T-26F 130 20 545 1500

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Suspensions

Tier Suspension Load Limit
(т)
Traverse Speed
(гр/сек)
Rmin Weight
(kg)
Price
(Credits)

III SU-5 10.49 24 0 1880 1800
IV SU-5 Bis 12.5 26 0 1880 4750

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Radios

Tier Radio Signal Range
(м)
Weight
(kg)
Price
(Credits)

III 71-TK-3 300 100 570
V 9RK 350 80 3240
IX 12LL 615 110 33600


Compatible Equipment

Light Spall Liner Camouflage Net Coated Optics Enhanced Gun Laying Drive Enhanced Vickers Suspension Cyclone Filter Medium-Caliber Artillery Shell Rammer Binocular Telescope Toolbox "Wet" Ammo Rack Class 1 

Compatible Consumables

Automatic Fire Extinguisher Manual Fire Extinguisher Large First Aid Kit Large Repair Kit Lend-Lease Oil Extra Combat Rations Removed Speed Governor Small First Aid Kit Small Repair Kit 


Player Opinion

Pros and Cons

Pros:


  • Long gun range coupled with decent ammo capacity and respectable damage when mounting the 122mm howitzer.
  • Insanely high gun elevation, especially with the 152mm mortar.
  • With the 152mm mortar, the SU-5 lobs shell at a high vertical arc.
  • Acceptable mobility for relocation.


Cons:


  • Inadequate 76mm howitzers, painful stock grind due to the 76mm's low alpha damage and the SU-5's narrow horizontal gun arc.
  • Quite sluggish. Any tank that has spotted the SU-5, can destroy it with ease.
  • Poor view range.
  • Poor ammo capacity when mounting the 152mm mortar.
  • Very slow shell travel time on all its guns.


Performance

At first, this SPG doesn't seem so good compared to its tier 4 counterparts. It has neither the Pz. Sfl. 4B's versatility, nor the AMX 105AM's mobility, nor even the M37's ammo capacity to back its rate of fire. This is because its most powerful advantages are not easily figured out - high shell arc, accuracy and high penetration HE.

At stock, the SU-5 is a terrible SPG to play, coupling the 76mm howitzer's low alpha damage with the SU-5's narrow gun traverse. It is highly recommended that you research and mount the 122mm howitzer as soon as possible, otherwise you will just be dead weight for your team.

With the 122mm howitzer, you have good range that can cover a large portion of the map, however, the horrible accuracy makes long-range fire risky. You should move up with your team, choose a good firing spot, lock hull and patiently aim at large, sluggish heavy tanks - larger target size means more chance for a direct hit. The 122mm combines many good points for a SPG gun: good range, acceptable ammo capacity, average rate-of-fire and average vertical shell arc. If you like the 122mm, you do not need to move on, but it is recommended to try out the 152mm mortar that the SU-5 is famous for, before choosing your favorite among the two.

With the 152mm mortar, you have only 12 rounds in the rack, so you must make every shot count. The 152mm mortar nullifies cover with a high arc, so you can expect a lot of good shots on enemies who think that they are safe from SPG fire. Be patient, wait for the aim circle to shrink to its minimum size while predicting enemy movements is the only way to guarantee a hit. Your rounds deals around 160 damage to tier V, VI and some VII heavy tanks; however, there is a chance that you will hit a weak spot and deal about 400 damage - a slap in the face to tier V heavy tanks. Against light tanks, medium tanks, TDs, SPGs and certain "soft" heavies, like the KV-1S, KV-85, you can reliably derp them for 450 damage every shell. Due to the gun's short range, move up one flank and calculate so that enemies are right within the outer part of your range - your vertical shell arc is highest there. With the top radio, calculating your range is easy since the radio range is roughly equal to your gun range. Choose the flank where more allies are flocking to, you do not want the front line to break before you can land a shot. Aim behind cover where enemies tend to hide, picking on still targets, especially bigger ones. Moving tanks are much harder to shoot at, but if one is moving predictably, like in and out of cover, you can easily land a calculated shot. Thanks to the high damage, high penetration, good explosion radius and decent accuracy at such range, you can damage anyone you see. As long as you aim carefully and plan your shots, your SU-5 can contribute greatly to the team. After 9.18 changes the first two guns became somewhat usable because of high Rate of fire, but they still aren't very good choices


Early Research

  • All of the radios and engines carry over from the SU-26, though not the 122 mm Howitzer mod. 1930 gun as of 8.6. Install the T-26F engine and 12LL radio immediately.
  • Everything can be mounted without upgrading the suspension (Upgrading everything except the suspension brings it to a total weight of 10.35t out of 10.49t) so research the 152 mm Mortar NM mod. 1931 quickly, though it will take a long time due to the terribly inadequate 76 mm gun.
  • You can now research the suspension
  • Depending on your play style, you can either stay with the 122mm or switch to the 152mm mortar for improved damage/penetration.


Suggested Equipment


Artillery Shell Rammer Enhanced Gun Laying Drive Camouflage Net 


Gallery

Historical Info

Self-propelled gun SU-5-1 armed with 76.2 mm divisional gun mod. 1902/30.

The SU-5 is another T-26 variant. Three prototypes were built in 1934 with a further 30 vehicles produced in 1936.

  • SU-5-1 — Self-propelled gun armed with the 76.2 mm divisional gun mod. 1902/30 (open-top type, the single vehicle was built in 1934).
  • SU-5-2 — Self-propelled gun armed with 122 mm howitzer mod. 1910/30 (open-top type; a single vehicle was built in 1934 and a further 30 vehicles in 1936).
  • SU-5-3 — Self-propelled gun armed with 152.4 mm divisional mortar mod. 1931 (open-top type, a single vehicle was built in 1934).



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