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Black Prince

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[Client Values; Actual values in
Specifically, the mismatch in crew values caused by commander's 10% crew skill bonus. Outside of a crew of 1 commander only, 100% crew is a fiction. The client values, given for 100% crew, will normally be taken into battle with 110% crew skill members aside from specific functions, causing their actual performance to deviate from the expected client value. These differences are taken into account in tooltip boxes.
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1,400,000  Credits Cost
14501450 HP Hit Points
50.65/5150.01/53 t Weight Limit
Crew
  1. Commander
  2. Driver
  3. Radio Operator
  4. Gunner
  5. Loader
Mobility
350600 hp Engine Power
20/12 km/h Speed Limit
1820 deg/s Traverse
6.9112 hp/t Power/Wt Ratio
NoNo Pivot
Armor
152.4/95.3/50.8 mm Hull Armor
240/95.2/101.6240/95.2/101.6 mm Turret Armor
Armament







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175/3200/75
Shell Cost
140/140/190150/150/190 HP Damage
148/208/38171/239/38 mm Penetration



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14.29 r/m 

Standard Gun

Reload Times
Nominal: 4.2 s
50% Crew: 5.2 s
75% Crew: 4.54 s
100% Crew: 4.03 s
Rammer: 3.63 s
Vents: 3.94 s
Both: 3.55 s
Both and BiA: 3.47 s
Both and Max Crew %: 3.33 s

See Crew, Consumables, or Equipment for more information.



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12 r/m 

Standard Gun

Reload Times
Nominal: 5 s
50% Crew: 6.19 s
75% Crew: 5.41 s
100% Crew: 4.79 s
Rammer: 4.31 s
Vents: 4.68 s
Both: 4.22 s
Both and BiA: 4.12 s
Both and Max Crew %: 3.95 s

See Crew, Consumables, or Equipment for more information.
Rate of Fire






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1986.6

Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 1 (140 Damage):


Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 1986.6
50% Crew: 1603
75% Crew: 1836.8
100% Crew: 2072
100% Crew
Vents: 2118.2
Rammer: 2301.6
Both: 2353.4
Both and BiA: 2406.6
Both and Max Crew %: 2510.2

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 2126.6
50% Crew: 1743
75% Crew: 1976.8
100% Crew: 2212
100% Crew
Rammer: 2441.6
Vents: 2258.2
Both: 2493.4
Both and BiA: 2546.6
Both and Max Crew %: 2650.2

See here, here, or here for more information.

Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 2 (140 Damage):


Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 1986.6
50% Crew: 1603
75% Crew: 1836.8
100% Crew: 2072
100% Crew
Vents: 2118.2
Rammer: 2301.6
Both: 2353.4
Both and BiA: 2406.6
Both and Max Crew %: 2510.2

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 2126.6
50% Crew: 1743
75% Crew: 1976.8
100% Crew: 2212
100% Crew
Rammer: 2441.6
Vents: 2258.2
Both: 2493.4
Both and BiA: 2546.6
Both and Max Crew %: 2650.2

See here, here, or here for more information.

Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 3 (190 Damage):
With wholly penetrating hits

Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 2696.1
50% Crew: 2175.5
75% Crew: 2492.8
100% Crew: 2812
100% Crew
Vents: 2874.7
Rammer: 3123.6
Both: 3193.9
Both and BiA: 3266.1
Both and Max Crew %: 3406.7

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 2886.1
50% Crew: 2365.5
75% Crew: 2682.8
100% Crew: 3002
100% Crew
Rammer: 3313.6
Vents: 3064.7
Both: 3383.9
Both and BiA: 3456.1
Both and Max Crew %: 3596.7

See here, here, or here for more information.






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1800

Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 1 (150 Damage):


Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 1800
50% Crew: 1453.5
75% Crew: 1663.5
100% Crew: 1878
100% Crew
Vents: 1920
Rammer: 2086.5
Both: 2133
Both and BiA: 2181
Both and Max Crew %: 2275.5

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 1950
50% Crew: 1603.5
75% Crew: 1813.5
100% Crew: 2028
100% Crew
Rammer: 2236.5
Vents: 2070
Both: 2283
Both and BiA: 2331
Both and Max Crew %: 2425.5

See here, here, or here for more information.

Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 2 (150 Damage):


Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 1800
50% Crew: 1453.5
75% Crew: 1663.5
100% Crew: 1878
100% Crew
Vents: 1920
Rammer: 2086.5
Both: 2133
Both and BiA: 2181
Both and Max Crew %: 2275.5

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 1950
50% Crew: 1603.5
75% Crew: 1813.5
100% Crew: 2028
100% Crew
Rammer: 2236.5
Vents: 2070
Both: 2283
Both and BiA: 2331
Both and Max Crew %: 2425.5

See here, here, or here for more information.

Standard Gun

Using Shell Type 3 (190 Damage):
With wholly penetrating hits

Theoretical Damage Per Minute
Nominal DPM: 2280
50% Crew: 1841.1
75% Crew: 2107.1
100% Crew: 2378.8
100% Crew
Vents: 2432
Rammer: 2642.9
Both: 2701.8
Both and BiA: 2762.6
Both and Max Crew %: 2882.3

Advantageous Damage Per Minute
First-shot DPM: 2470
50% Crew: 2031.1
75% Crew: 2297.1
100% Crew: 2568.8
100% Crew
Rammer: 2832.9
Vents: 2622
Both: 2891.8
Both and BiA: 2952.6
Both and Max Crew %: 3072.3

See here, here, or here for more information.
Damage Per Minute


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0.34 m 

With 50% Crew: 0.421 m
With 75% Crew: 0.368 m
With 100% Crew: 0.326 m
With BiA: 0.319 m
With BiA and Vents: 0.312 m
Maximum possible: 0.299 m

For more details, see Crew


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0.34 m 

With 50% Crew: 0.421 m
With 75% Crew: 0.368 m
With 100% Crew: 0.326 m
With BiA: 0.319 m
With BiA and Vents: 0.312 m
Maximum possible: 0.299 m

For more details, see Crew
Accuracy


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2.3 s 

With 50% Crew: 2.849 s
With 75% Crew: 2.488 s
With 100% Crew: 2.205 s
With GLD: 2.005 s
With BiA: 2.157 s
With BiA and Vents: 2.11 s
With both and GLD: 1.918 s
Maximum possible: 1.839 s

For more details, see Crew or Equipment


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2.3 s 

With 50% Crew: 2.849 s
With 75% Crew: 2.488 s
With 100% Crew: 2.205 s
With GLD: 2.005 s
With BiA: 2.157 s
With BiA and Vents: 2.11 s
With both and GLD: 1.918 s
Maximum possible: 1.839 s

For more details, see Crew or Equipment
Aim time
3030 deg/s Turret Traverse
360° Gun Arc
-8°/+20°-8°/+20° Elevation Arc
14084 rounds Ammo Capacity
General
2020 % Chance of Fire






370 m 

With 50% Crew: 290.7 m
With 75% Crew: 330.4 m
With 100% Crew: 370 m
With Recon and Situational Awareness: 388.7 m
With Coated Optics: 407 m
With Binocular Telescope: 462.5 m
Maximum possible: 529.7 m

For more details, see Skills or Equipment






370 m 

With 50% Crew: 290.7 m
With 75% Crew: 330.4 m
With 100% Crew: 370 m
With Recon and Situational Awareness: 388.7 m
With Coated Optics: 407 m
With Binocular Telescope: 462.5 m
Maximum possible: 529.7 m

For more details, see Skills or Equipment
View Range


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450 m 

With 50% Crew: 363.3 m
With 75% Crew: 416 m
With 100% Crew: 469.3 m
With 100% Signal Boost: 540 m
When affected by 100% Relaying: 495 m
Maximum possible: 675.5 m

For more details, see Skills or Equipment


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700 m 

With 50% Crew: 565.1 m
With 75% Crew: 647.2 m
With 100% Crew: 730.1 m
With 100% Signal Boost: 840 m
When affected by 100% Relaying: 770 m
Maximum possible: 1050.8 m

For more details, see Skills or Equipment
Signal Range
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VII

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1400000

The Black Prince is a British tier 7 heavy tank.

Developed from 1943 through 1945 on the basis of the Churchill tank. It featured a wider and elongated hull to carry the upgraded turret with a 17-pounder gun. A total of six Black Prince prototypes were produced from 1944 through 1945. A few vehicles underwent trials but never saw action.

The Black Prince is essentially an elongated, widened, up-gunned, and somewhat up-armored Churchill VII. While the powerful engine makes the vehicle respectably agile while maneuvering, partially due to its excellent terrain resistance, it retains the terrible cruising speed of the Churchill VII, traveling at a maximum speed of 20 kph.

The tank's first engine is woefully inadequate, and must be upgraded. The Black Prince features very thick but very flat front and side armor that must be angled to be effective. Even some higher-tier tanks will have trouble penetrating an angled Black Prince without the use of premium ammunition. Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES WHATSOEVER must the Black Prince be driven into an open area, because its size and speed makes it an easy target for artillery and tank destroyers.

When ported to HD, the tank suffered a reduction in its frontal turret armor, making it somewhat less effective. However, its good armor and excellent hit point pool make it a tough adversary when driven by a skilled tanker.

The Black Prince leads to the Caernarvon.

Modules / Available Equipment and Consumables

Modules

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Guns

Tier Gun Penetration
(mm)
Damage
(HP)
Rate of fire
(rounds/minute)
Dispersion
(m/100m)
Aiming time
(s)
Weight
(kg)
Price
(Credits)

VII OQF 17-pdr Gun Mk. VII 171/239/38 150/150/190 12 0.34 2.3 826 70000
VII OQF 77 mm Gun Mk. II 148/208/38 140/140/190 14.29 0.34 2.3 681 63000

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Turrets

Tier Turret Turret Armor (front/sides/rear)
(mm)
Turret Traverse Speed
(deg/s)
View Range
(m)
Weight
(kg)
Price
(Credits)

VII Black Prince 240/95.2/101.6 30 370 10000 26300

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Engines

Tier Engine Engine Power
(hp)
Chance of Fire on Impact
(%)
Weight
(kg)
Price
(Credits)

V Rolls-Royce Meteor 600 20 744 14000
IV Bedford Twin-Six 350 20 1531 11000

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Suspensions

Tier Suspension Load Limit
(т)
Traverse Speed
(гр/сек)
Rmin Weight
(kg)
Price
(Credits)

VI Black Prince 51 18 B/2 10000 13000
VII Black Prince Mk. II 53 20 B/2 10000 18000

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Radios

Tier Radio Signal Range
(м)
Weight
(kg)
Price
(Credits)

VII WS No. 19 Mk. II 450 40 21000
VIII WS No. 22 700 40 25000
VIII WS No. 19 Mk. III 550 40 22000


Compatible Equipment

Vertical Stabilizer Mk 2 Heavy Spall Liner Camouflage Net Fill Tanks with CO2 Coated Optics Stabilizing Equipment System Experimental Optics Wear-Resistant Gun Laying Drive Venting System Innovative Loading System Extended Spare Parts Kit Enhanced Gun Laying Drive Enhanced Vertical Coil Springs 3 Class Improved Ventilation Class 3 Large-Caliber Tank Gun Rammer Binocular Telescope Toolbox "Wet" Ammo Rack Class 2 

Compatible Consumables

Stabilizer Greasing Automatic Fire Extinguisher Natural Cover Optical Calibration Aim Tuning Experienced Firefighters 100-octane Gasoline 105-octane Gasoline Manual Fire Extinguisher Vent Purge Large First Aid Kit Large Repair Kit Duty Comes First Shell Organizer Orderly Ammo Rack Focus on Target Pudding and Tea Increased Focus Small First Aid Kit Small Repair Kit Gearbox Intricacy Steady Hand Pre-Battle Maintenance Combat Course 


Player Opinion

Pros and Cons

Pros:


  • Low tiers will struggle against the armor.
  • Tracks absorb a lot of damage; sidescraping can be effective.
  • Armor is very effective when angled.
  • Good rate of fire, accuracy, and depression (-8°); good when hull-down.
  • Large hit point pool.


Cons:


  • Worst Alpha and penetration amongst T7 heavy tanks.
  • Second worst DPM amongst T7 heavy tanks.
  • Very low top speed.
  • Extremely painful grind to research this tank from the Churchill VII.
  • Armor is very flat and will struggle to withstand even concurrent tanks (like Tiger 1).


Performance

The Black Prince has a similar playstyle to the preceding Churchill series of tanks. It used to be the only tank of the Churchill series that had working armor, but sadly the HD transformation did change that. Not to mention that credible threats will simply load gold and easily penetrate your average armor.

Unlike the first two UK heavies, the Black Prince has better agility than it seems on paper (most likely due to its better terrain resistances), and when used tactically it can make a brawler in a pinch, though it is generally a better idea to avoid close combat in order to fully utilize the advantages of your gun, what little there are. It is vital especially in close quarters to angle your armor, preferably slightly to the right at around thirty degrees. If you can jam your front end against a rock or other cover with just your sharply angled side and your turret exposed to enemy fire, you can also become a frustrating blockade for any tank at your tier (this tactic is known as sidescraping). While the Black Prince's armor can often bounce shots from KV-3' and IS's 122 mm gun..

Note that once you're set in a direction, it will be rather difficult to backtrack as the Black Prince's awful top speed won't get you there in time; instead, you should consider where your allies are going and where you can be of most use. If you are close to the bottom tier, stick to the second line and provide support with the accurate 17 pounder, which can penetrate weak spots on most high tier tanks easily thanks to its great accuracy and aim time and good penetration with premium rounds. The damage will seem lacking but the rate of fire is acceptable and the gun will drain all but the largest health pools in a short time. Be ready to take the initiative though and to lead an assault through where the enemy lines are weak. Given the fast reload of your gun, you can charge through enemy fire and get into their faces as your allies follow you up.

No matter what the fight, don't stray too far from your support. The Black Prince can fight a lot of opponents and win head to head, but if you enter combat with more than one agile, well-armed tank in close quarters your chances of victory plummet. Shots to your exposed sides and rear carry a high chance of injuring a crew member, track your tank, or worse destroy your ammo rack. This will more than double your reload time and make your cannon far less potent due to its low alpha damage.

Take note that when cornering or making tight turns your sides will be exposed long before your turret and gun, allowing enemies to potentially cause extensive damage to your exposed hull. Instead of making tight turns, you should take corners from far off the edge and angle yourself diagonally. This makes it harder for enemies hiding around the corner to penetrate you due to the shallow angle of your sides, and will leave your gun clear to fire at the enemy. This tactic is valid on all Churchill Tank Models.

Despite it's flaws though, Black Prince is basically a TOG that has thicker armor, more health, a tier higher, more mobility, and the same gun. So if you like the TOG, this is for you. When put into tier 7 battles, it is usefull. Above that not so much, the 17 Pdr has no business being on a Tier 7 heavy tank.


Early Research

The tank doesn't have many research options, and those don't make any big differences, including the unrequired suspension. The choices will depend if you favour fire-power over mobility, but once again, no change will have outlandish results. The 2nd engine is MUCH lower weight than the first, so you can easily mount a full set of equipment without ever upgrading the weight limit. The upgrade to your gun seems small on paper but the performance in battle is noticeably improved, especially against thick armor.


Suggested Equipment


Tank Gun Rammer Vertical Stabilizer Improved Ventilation Class 3


Gallery

Historical Info

Tank, Infantry, Black Prince (A43) was the name assigned to an experimental development of the Churchill tank with a larger, wider hull and a QF 17-pounder (76 mm) gun. It was named after Edward, the Black Prince, a famous 14th century military leader.

Development

As a development from the Churchill, the Black Prince was a continuation of the line of Infantry tanks, that is slower, heavier tanks intended to operate in close support of infantry. The parallel development in British tank design were the Cruiser tanks, which were intended for more mobile operations. A43 was the General Staff Specification number issued in 1943, for an interim tank that would eventually be superseded by a "Universal tank" that would replace both Infantry and Cruiser tanks.

The cruiser line led to the Cromwell tank (and the 17 pounder armed Challenger variant) and then the Comet tank, (which had a variant of the 17 pounder gun) entering service during the war. While not as heavily protected as the Churchill, the Comet showed the way tank development was going. This led to the last of the cruiser line and the first of the Universal tanks, the very successful Centurion tank.

A larger gun than a conventional Churchill required a larger turret on a wider turret ring and consequently a widening of the tank hull to carry this. The Black Prince weighed around ten tons more than the Churchill so the suspension was modified and the tracks widened by 10 inches to carry the extra load. However, the Churchill's 350-horsepower (260 kW) engine was retained, leading to the tank being underpowered and slow, with maximum speeds of 10.5 mph (16.9 km/h) on roads and 7.5 mph (12.1 km/h) cross country. This was so slow that the tank's tactical usefulness would have been limited. Consideration was given to the use of the Rolls-Royce Meteor engine; this would have increased the available power to 600 hp (450 kW), but the idea never left the drawing–board. Likewise, plans to fit the Black Prince with the turret from the Centurion were never carried out.

By the time the Black Prince prototypes had appeared in May 1945, the Sherman Firefly had acquired a proven combat record, the Comet tank was in service and the introduction of Centurion was imminent. All these tanks carried the QF 17-pounder or a derivative; all had better mobility than the Black Prince and the Centurion had frontal armour of comparable effectiveness. The Black Prince had become redundant and the project was abandoned.

The Black Prince marked the end of the development of the Churchill tank, and the end of the Infantry tank concept in British tank design.

Survivors

The only surviving Black Prince tank is held by the Bovington Tank Museum in Bovington, UK; it is the fourth of the six prototypes that were built. It has recently been restored to running condition.


Historical Gallery

Historical Accuracy Errata

The following are consensus errors or inconsistencies which have been identified with the configuration of the vehicle in question and conflict with information available on the public record. The causes for these divergences in the game are normally not disclosed and may be rooted in game balance.

The OQF 77 mm Gun Mk. II gun was only used on the Comet tank. It was never developed for the Black Prince.
  • The Rolls-Royce Meteor engine was never developed for the Black Prince.
  • Actual top speed is 16.9 km/h, not 20 km/h.


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