Panther mit 8,8 cm L/71
Panther mit 8,8 cm L/71
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[Client Values; Actual values in
6,500  Cost |
| 1500300 HP Hit Points |
| 46.5/4927.29/49 t Weight Limit |
- Commander
- Gunner
- Driver
- Radio Operator
- Loader
| 700700 hp Engine Power |
| 46/20 km/h Speed Limit |
| 4040 deg/s Traverse |
| 15.0525.65 hp/t Power/Wt Ratio |
| YesYes Pivot |
| // mm Hull Armor |
| 120/60/60120/60/60 mm Turret Armor |
AP/APCR/HE
AP/APCR/HE Shells |
252/4400/252
252/4400/252 Shell Cost |
| 280/280/370280/280/370 HP Damage |
| 203/237/44203/237/44 mm Penetration |
|
8.7 r/m ▲
8.7 r/m Standard Gun ▲ Rate of Fire Standard Gun |
|
2436 ▲
Standard Gun
▼
Standard Gun
▲
2436 Standard Gun ▲
Standard Gun
▼
Standard Gun
▲ Damage Per Minute Standard Gun |
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0.32 m ▲
0.32 m With 50% Crew: 0.396 m ▲ Accuracy With 50% Crew: 0.396 m |
| 2.5 s 2.5 s Aim time |
| 3232 deg/s Turret Traverse |
| 360° Gun Arc |
| -8°/+13°-8°/+13° Elevation Arc |
| 5656 rounds Ammo Capacity |
| 2020 % Chance of Fire |
| 390 m 390 m View Range |
| 550 m 550 m Signal Range |
VIII
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The Panther mit 8,8 cm L/71 is a German tier 8 premium medium tank.
Development of a modification of the Panther started in the spring of 1944. The new variant was to incorporate a newly designed Schmalturm turret. The new vehicle was designated the Panther Ausf. F. On January 23, 1945, it was reported that the 88-mm gun of the Tiger was mounted on the upgraded version of the new turret. A large number of hulls for the vehicle were manufactured, but the turret never saw production and existed only as a wooden model.
The Panther mit 8,8 cm L/71 (or Panther 88) is fairly similar to its tech tree counterpart, the Panther II, but has some minor differences: slightly weaker hull armor, but better terrain resistance values and hull traverse giving an edge to its mobility. It also sports superior RoF and gun handling than Panther II mounting the very same 8.8cm L/71.
Modules / Available Equipment and Consumables
Modules
Guns
| Tier | Gun | Penetration (mm) |
Damage (HP) |
Rate of fire (rounds/minute) |
Dispersion (m/100m) |
Aiming time (s) |
Weight (kg) |
Price (  )
| |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| VIII | 8.8 cm Kw.K. 43 L/71 mod.Vlt | 203/237/44 | 280/280/370 | 8.7 | 0.32 | 2.5 | 2562 | 112180 |
Engines
| Tier | Engine | Engine Power (hp) |
Chance of Fire on Impact (%) |
Weight (kg) |
Price ( )
| |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| VIII | Maybach HL 230 P30 | 700 | 20 | 1400 | 55000 |
Suspensions
| Tier | Suspension | Load Limit (т) |
Traverse Speed (gr/sec) |
Rmin | Weight (kg) |
Price ( )
| |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| VIII | Panther mit 8,8 cm Kw.K. 43 L/71 | 49 | 40 | 0 | 15000 | 20000 |
Radios
| Tier | Radio | Signal Range (m) |
Weight (kg) |
Price ( )
| |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| VIII | Fu 8 | 550 | 50 | 24240 |
Compatible Equipment
Compatible Consumables
Player Opinion
Pros and Cons
Pros:
- Excellent DPM, among the best for its tier and class
- Excellent accuracy at range, good gun depression
- Good acceleration and agility, better than the Panther II
- Large hitpoint pool, comparable to same-tier heavy tanks
- Large mass makes it suited for ramming lighter or poorly armored enemy tanks
Cons:
- Subpar aim time
- Very large target with poor camouflage
- Armor profile is weak
- Top speed is 46 km/h, below average for a medium tank
- Poor gun elevation
Performance
The Panther 88 can be considered a lighter brother of the Panther II, carrying shorter gun, but also less weight. The well-known 8.8cm L/71 gun might appear underwhelming for Tier VIII, but it comes with improved characteristics to compensate for the platform's weaknesses. It excels at long/medium range combat, where it can use its superior accuracy to pick off targets. In a hull-down position, the Schmalturm turret presents a small and difficult target at long ranges, which can greatly enhance survivability. Due to its similarities to the Panther II, it can use most of the same tactics, although one has to be very mindful of the weaker hull armor and the inferior mobility and adjust accordingly.
The hull of the Panther 88 is exactly the same as that of the Tier VII Panther. While the armor of the Panther is somewhat acceptable at Tier VII, it is absolutely no match for many of the powerful guns encountered at Tier VIII+. It is also a huge target, and exposing it should be avoided as much as possible. The side armor is also only 50 mm thick. It is a small consolation that this can only be overmatched by the relatively rare 150 mm and larger guns, but it is still very dangerous to expose it in combat, considering that the side of the hull contains ammunition racks and fuel tanks.
At short ranges, the Panther 88 suffers, as short range combat favors tanks with heavy armor, high damage guns, or both, neither of which the Panther 88 has. The relatively flat portions of the turret are also much easier to hit at short ranges, a problem it shares with other high tier German tanks. This is not to say that it cannot be effective at close ranges, for it still has a high rate-of-fire and a large HP pool, but using it effectively at close ranges requires a great deal of skill and management of the HP pool, as the armor is effectively irrelevant. It is not recommended that inexperienced players purchase the Panther 88, as it requires a significant amount of knowledge and experience with the game to use effectively.
It must be noted that the Panther 88 does not enjoy non-preferential matchmaking and can therefore face Tier X tanks, against which the gun will struggle to do consistent damage from the front. It should also be noted that this tank is on the cheaper end of all Tier VIII premium tanks made available, with the T26E4 Super Pershing, 59-Patton and M4A1 Revalorisé being cheaper.
- Note: As of Update 1.10.1, the Panther 8.8cm has been buffed. Previously, the alpha was 240, which is what the vast majority of tier VIII Mediums have or are close to having. The Panther 8.8cm now has 280/280/370 alpha, up from 240/240/295, with no reload reduction, vastly improving trading and DPM. Previously, the DPM was 2,176; now, as of 1.10.1, it has 2,539. This makes it have a HUGE DPM advantage, about the same as the E 50 with the stock turret and L/100. The Panther 8.8 actually now has the highest DPM of a tier VIII Medium, slightly surpassing the previous highest Obj. 416. This does make a rather large difference with the Panther II and Panther 8.8cm; although the L/71 is on both tanks, it is vastly different; the Panther II still has 240/240/295 alpha on it, with a worse reload and overall gun handling, while the Panther 8.8's L/71 is more similar to the L/100 the Panther II has.
Early Research
Premium vehicle, none required.
Suggested Equipment
External Reviews and Opinions
Gallery
Historical Info
In January 1945, a Schmalturm for Panther with KwK 43 (88mm L/71) was proposed by Daimler Benz. The first drawing of the DB turret actually comes from 18.10.1944 and based on that, DB recieved a contract to develop this variant and it was in January they presented the results. It was to have a -8/+15 elevation and depression and was to be equipped with SFZ2 or SFZ3 stabilized gunsights. And all the while the whole thing weighted only a ton more than the current Panther turret. However, the work on the project never got beyond wooden mockup, which was found in the DB plant after the war.
